Oh yes so outside of 2 HOFers the defense was just above average. That defense was legit only team that could rival it was Baltimore.

 

The 2002 TB Buc, the Legion of Boom, Gangreen, and a few others have something to say about that. It was a great defense. But that Steelers team could get it done on Offense too. Remember, Warner lit that defense up in the Super Bowl.

 

Again, I'm not saying Tomlin is the best coach ever. He's clearly had some moments where you would question his "greatness". But purely by numbers, and the success he's had, especially in comparison with other coaches during his time, he's clearly at least top 3 or 4.

The 2002 TB Buc, the Legion of Boom, Gangreen, and a few others have something to say about that. It was a great defense. But that Steelers team could get it done on Offense too. Remember, Warner lit that defense up in the Super Bowl.

 

Again, I'm not saying Tomlin is the best coach ever. He's clearly had some moments where you would question his "greatness". But purely by numbers, and the success he's had, especially in comparison with other coaches during his time, he's clearly at least top 3 or 4.

At the time they were playing they were the best. They aren’t the greatest ever. All NFL coaching jobs aren’t created equal. Coaching in Pittsburgh is idiot proof. You are surrounded by the best people in the business. Combine that organization with the rosters Tomlin was gifted by Cowher and you have a situation that almost every coach would flourish in.

You’re right about me personally disliking Tomlin. Everything he does and says has always rubbed me the wrong way.

 

Hence, your entire take is slanted against him. Tomlin by any reasonable measure has been a very successful NFL coach.

 

Beichek .679

Tomlin .652

No other coach* over .620 winning percentage.

 

*Coaches on the job over 3 years.

Hence, your entire take is slanted against him. Tomlin by any reasonable measure has been a very successful NFL coach.

 

Beichek .679

Tomlin .652

No other coach* over .620 winning percentage.

 

*Coaches on the job over 3 years.

Not all coaching jobs are created equal.

At the time they were playing they were the best. They aren’t the greatest ever. All NFL coaching jobs aren’t created equal. Coaching in Pittsburgh is idiot proof. You are surrounded by the best people in the business. Combine that organization with the rosters Tomlin was gifted by Cowher and you have a situation that almost every coach would flourish in.

 

So idiot proof that it took 13 years for Cowher to win his one superbowl. And in the previous 12 years, his playoff record was 8-9. And don't forget, he went 8-8 and missed the playoffs the year after the Super Bowl, his final year of coaching. People were having these same conversations about Cowher at the same point in time. The only difference is that Tomlin's track record is better at the same point. And now Cowher is viewed as legendary, and Tomlin is just a below average, overated coach.

Tomlin is 19-5 versus the Bengals...I guess that's where the saltiness comes from. :lol2:

I think the question to be asked about Tomlin is whether he is overrated. Where would he fall on your list of current head coaches? Is he overrated?

So idiot proof that it took 13 years for Cowher to win his one superbowl. And in the previous 12 years, his playoff record was 8-9. And don't forget, he went 8-8 and missed the playoffs the year after the Super Bowl, his final year of coaching. People were having these same conversations about Cowher at the same point in time. The only difference is that Tomlin's track record is better at the same point. And now Cowher is viewed as legendary, and Tomlin is just a below average, overated coach.

Cowher isn’t viewed as legendary. But Cowher drafted a HOF QB in Roethlisberger

and gifted him and the best defense to the league to Tomlin. It’s pretty hard to screw that up.

Tomlin is not overrated IMO. His act gets old like any coach who has been in the NFL very long. You know what they will say and how they will coach.

I think the question to be asked about Tomlin is whether he is overrated. Where would he fall on your list of current head coaches? Is he overrated?

Overrated in the sense that I don’t believe he is the reason for Pittsburgh success.

I don’t care about the Steelers one way or another. But I don’t think I’ve seen one team get so many terrible calls against them at critical times than this bunch.

 

 

Spare me here. Beat Oakland in Oakland and this is not an issue.

Tomlin is 19-5 versus the Bengals...I guess that's where the saltiness comes from. :lol2:

Maybe so but dogging on Tomlin but at the same time complimenting the rest of the organization.

I think the question to be asked about Tomlin is whether he is overrated. Where would he fall on your list of current head coaches? Is he overrated?

 

Middle of the pack. Maybe.

Middle of the pack. Maybe.

Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin. I don’t see much of a distinction between the two other then their personalities.

Middle of the pack. Maybe.

 

Agreed. Without thinking too hard on it, I would probably guess somewhere between 10-15.