This guy is going to take the heat and will be the punching bag but he was just the last failure if a chain of massive, unforgivable errors that led to the event.

 

A sheriff that was called out numerous times on the individual, tips to the FBI not acted on, a 'guardian' who allowed the retention of firearms in his house and 'thought' he had the only key to the safe that apparently the kid bought himself (and this from a military intel guy); video tape systems running 20 minutes behind; slow 911 response, drills where blank shots were used or supposed to be used, etc. Even the Secret Services in the school a few weeks before doing things - for all the good that seems to have to done. Just about every single government entity in charge of public safety that was involved prior to the event completely failed to do their role.

 

But this guy will become the punching bag, scapegoat, etc. while the other entities try to cover up their issues.

 

BG, to your first part: there are a myriad of responsible parties that will never get their comeuppance.

 

As the OP,

I didn’t post the article to take cuts at this officer.

 

I sympathize with the man, and I believe we as a society expect a lot of a person who has a gun. That man’s daily was probably talking to kids and helping to mentor students as a law enforcement officer. In an instant he was supposed to push the rest of his life away and go shoot a student he may have attempted mentor. I couldn’t imagine how he felt: fear or dread of what he was going to see.

He will struggle the remainder of his life with guilt.

He probably never thought a school would be the place where he would have to test his valor.

Why isn't the FBI investigating? Because it isn't terrorism.

 

I never said political was the only part of the definition needed.

 

There's a difference in mass murder and terrorism.

 

The lack of a FBI type investigation is another statement of the problem. Local law enforcement agencies are in no position to address the larger issue of school shootings. Locals are one of those multi-facets that has to be involved but again this is just our Government dropping the ball on yet another level.

 

And mass murder is two words, please try again.

This guy is going to take the heat and will be the punching bag but he was just the last failure if a chain of massive, unforgivable errors that led to the event.

 

A sheriff that was called out numerous times on the individual, tips to the FBI not acted on, a 'guardian' who allowed the retention of firearms in his house and 'thought' he had the only key to the safe that apparently the kid bought himself (and this from a military intel guy); video tape systems running 20 minutes behind; slow 911 response, drills where blank shots were used or supposed to be used, etc. Even the Secret Services in the school a few weeks before doing things - for all the good that seems to have to done. Just about every single government entity in charge of public safety that was involved prior to the event completely failed to do their role.

 

But this guy will become the punching bag, scapegoat, etc. while the other entities try to cover up their issues.

 

BG, to your first part: there are a myriad of responsible parties that will never get their comeuppance.

 

As the OP,

I didn’t post the article to take cuts at this officer.

 

I sympathize with the man, and I believe we as a society expect a lot of a person who has a gun. That man’s daily was probably talking to kids and helping to mentor students as a law enforcement officer. In an instant he was supposed to push the rest of his life away and go shoot a student he may have attempted mentor. I couldn’t imagine how he felt: fear or dread of what he was going to see.

He will struggle the remainder of his life with guilt.

He probably never thought a school would be the place where he would have to test his valor.

 

You are right guys, this is nearly a complete breakdown of the system at every level and one guard at a school is woefully inadequate if you are serious about protecting a large area with lots of targets.

 

And again everyone, I posted this back in post #34 but it is worth repeating:

 

Nearly every school I know of is an extremely Soft Target and it is blatantly obvious to me that we (the USA) are NOT taking this issue seriously because if we were we would have a minimum of three to four highly trained soldiers/police officers/super humans assigned to every school in America until we figure out the long term solutions.

The lack of a FBI type investigation is another statement of the problem. Local law enforcement agencies are in no position to address the larger issue of school shootings. Locals are one of those multi-facets that has to be involved but again this is just our Government dropping the ball on yet another level.

 

And mass murder is two words, please try again.

 

Massenmorder. It's one word in German.

 

How can we discuss school shootings without tying it to gun control and how these individuals get their hands on these weapons?

Do we try to harden the doorways to classrooms, so they can't be forced open or a thick steel plate that locks over the window in the door?

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Massenmorder. It's one word in German.

 

EXTREME language warning, don't click on it.

 

And I can't help myself on this one SM but it is all in good fun:

 

How can we discuss school shootings without tying it to gun control and how these individuals get their hands on these weapons?

 

We can stipulate that "gun control" is one of the multi-facets that is a part of the solution and leave it at that.

Do we try to harden the doorways to classrooms, so they can't be forced open or a thick steel plate that locks over the window in the door?

 

Schools need to be entirely re-engineered so that they are not soft targets.

 

Or simply put, schools need to be more like jails, which means the schools need to be designed in such a way that they have the ability to keep the kids and staff safe inside and anyone that doesn't belong outside. This would include doors on classrooms that are nearly impossible to breach.

Schools need to be entirely re-engineered so that they are not soft targets.

 

Or simply put, schools need to be more like jails, which means the schools need to be designed in such a way that they have the ability to keep the kids and staff safe inside and anyone that doesn't belong outside. This would include doors on classrooms that are nearly impossible to breach.

 

Will these solutions be met with, too expensive? I don't think Administrators can even say that, they have to make the right decision for protecting our children.

Schools need to be entirely re-engineered so that they are not soft targets.

 

Or simply put, schools need to be more like jails, which means the schools need to be designed in such a way that they have the ability to keep the kids and staff safe inside and anyone that doesn't belong outside. This would include doors on classrooms that are nearly impossible to breach.

 

This is the line we have to teeter. Schools need to be safer but they can’t be like jails.

As many “negative” practices we do need to be matched with positive: lower testing expectations, lower class size, more counselors, more mentors, more focus on extracurriculars, etc.

The bad is already outside of a school we can’t let it take over.

This is the line we have to teeter. Schools need to be safer but they can’t be like jails.

As many “negative” practices we do need to be matched with positive: lower testing expectations, lower class size, more counselors, more mentors, more focus on extracurriculars, etc.

The bad is already outside of a school we can’t let it take over.

 

Jails only in terms of making our schools much, much more secure.

Will these solutions be met with, too expensive? I don't think Administrators can even say that, they have to make the right decision for protecting our children.

 

If the goal is to stop all evil, wannabe mass murders from killing our children it is going to be so expensive we probably can't count that high.

If the goal is to stop all evil, wannabe mass murders from killing our children it is going to be so expensive we probably can't count that high.

 

Then someone intent on mass murder of children could avoid the hardened school building, but what do we do about outside activities? With endless possibilities?

Then someone intent on mass murder of children could avoid the hardened school building, but what do we do about outside activities? With endless possibilities?

 

The sobering reality is that we'll never be able to fully prevent these incidents from occurring. It's just not possible. All we can do is make strides to hopefully make them less and less frequent.

The sobering reality is that we'll never be able to fully prevent these incidents from occurring. It's just not possible. All we can do is make strides to hopefully make them less and less frequent.

 

We agree Deuce about not being able to fully prevent these incidents but this is what is going to happen:

 

 

Sixteen years later, Minority Report offers some interesting insight about where we are in the narrative of our own law and society. For example, the science fiction of the film bears remarkable, if not alarming, similarity to the technology behind predictive policing, a term used to encompass a range of real-world precrime detection systems currently in use around the country and even across the globe. The National Institute of Justice defines predictive policing as “taking data from disparate sources, analyzing them and then using the results to anticipate, prevent and respond more effectively to future crime.” We do not know exactly what predictive policing looks like from the inside out—but these precrime detection systems likely combine crime-mapping software, statistical data, police reports, and complex algorithms to help police better anticipate the next steps of would-be criminals.

 

Science Fiction Law -- Still Reeling: Minority Report, Sixteen Years Later

BG, to your first part: there are a myriad of responsible parties that will never get their comeuppance.

 

As the OP,

I didn’t post the article to take cuts at this officer.

 

I sympathize with the man, and I believe we as a society expect a lot of a person who has a gun. That man’s daily was probably talking to kids and helping to mentor students as a law enforcement officer. In an instant he was supposed to push the rest of his life away and go shoot a student he may have attempted mentor. I couldn’t imagine how he felt: fear or dread of what he was going to see.

He will struggle the remainder of his life with guilt.

He probably never thought a school would be the place where he would have to test his valor.

 

This is exactly is how I feel about the idea of arming teachers. We will ask them to teach our kids, call them incompetent when our kid is failing, be angry when they tell us our kid is suspended, but expect them to become the police in an instant. I don’t doubt for one minute there are teachers willing and able to do that. But I also don’t doubt for a minute that there are many who don’t want to, and some who are willing, but end up unable in the moment.