I realize that, but teams are now prepared as ever with it and unless you speed up the tempo it does not have near the same effect as it once did.

I disagree 100%.

Again, let me state I am not against no-huddle offenses... I think if EXECUTED properly they are devastating to a defense (if I were an o-coordinator, it would be what I would implement). But if not every single person is on the same page and you are taking just as much time to snap the ball as you would by getting in the huddle, I do not care if the defense has substituted a person or not, it is not going to be as effective and would just as much rather get into the huddle to get things squared away.

That is my biggest hangup with it. No team speeds to the line and looks at defense 30 seconds before the ball is snapped. It is just used for a longer break in between plays. They still get up to the line, I would guess by the same time as if they huddled.

 

And to address others, the nature of defenses is different these days. You have players like Merriman, et. al. that do both rush and pass cover the offense effectively. I still contend it is not as much of an advantage unless the tempo increases.

 

Here's my take. If you want to run a "true" no-huddle offense, then it needs to be like Buffalo in the early '90's. Let your QB call the plays. Guys like Carson Palmer should know the playbook inside and out. Let them call the plays. If you eliminated all this looking to the sideline, the team could get up to the line with no hesitation and then Palmer could call a play after looking the defense over. That would put some major pressure on a defense, IMO. And, I don't understand why some teams don't do this. These QB's are your franchise players. You should have the utmost trust and confidence in them and their decision making. If you trust them enough to change plays at the line, how is that any different than just letting them call the play to start with.

 

Offensive Coordinators could still construct the offense and playbook and come up with a game plan, but these elite QB's are good enough and smart enough to call plays, and I think they should be allowed to sometimes. That doesn't mean I think they should call every play of every game. I suspect they might get a little pass happy from time to time, so I think you would still need to go back to the huddle and the traditional set-up of letting the OC call plays. A good mix of the two would be best, IMO.

Here's my take. If you want to run a "true" no-huddle offense, then it needs to be like Buffalo in the early '90's. Let your QB call the plays. Guys like Carson Palmer should know the playbook inside and out. Let them call the plays. If you eliminated all this looking to the sideline, the team could get up to the line with no hesitation and then Palmer could call a play after looking the defense over. That would put some major pressure on a defense, IMO. And, I don't understand why some teams don't do this. These QB's are your franchise players. You should have the utmost trust and confidence in them and their decision making. If you trust them enough to change plays at the line, how is that any different than just letting them call the play to start with.

 

Offensive Coordinators could still construct the offense and playbook and come up with a game plan, but these elite QB's are good enough and smart enough to call plays, and I think they should be allowed to sometimes. That doesn't mean I think they should call every play of every game. I suspect they might get a little pass happy from time to time, so I think you would still need to go back to the huddle and the traditional set-up of letting the OC call plays. A good mix of the two would be dangerous, IMO.

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Why do you think they don't? Is it ego from the coaches, or what? I mean, why does Tom Moore have to give Peyton Manning 4 plays to choose from on every snap. Peyton could probably recite the Colt playbook to you. He could call the plays.

 

Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Eli Manning (with a little more experience), and Drew Brees (with a little more time in the system)

 

This should be heavily considered by teams who light up the scoreboard like Cincy and Indy.

 

I do understand that the QB's could get carried away, like I said earlier. The coaches could always take back control of play calling if that happens. I mean, I think the teams could reach an understanding with the QB's and play callers, saying, we're gonna let you call the plays so we can set a fast and aggressive tempo, with the understanding that at some point, we'll go back to the traditional set-up.

 

So, do you think the coaches' egos won't let them relinquish that duty? I don't get it.

I've been stewing on this since Richie went down, and with the next four games on the horizon, I think it's time to put the no huddle on the shelf for a while. Give the young guys time to get set, and stop making their job harder. And if Rich and Levi get back where they need to be, dust off the cobwebs. What say you???

 

What's the difference in calling the play in the huddle and calling the play at the LOS? You could argue that the play called at the LOS is more likely to succeed since it is called after seeing the defense. If you're on o-lineman and you need the time from the huddle to the LOS to figure out what you're supposed to do, I'm guessing the NFL is not for you.

What's the difference in calling the play in the huddle and calling the play at the LOS? You could argue that the play called at the LOS is more likely to succeed since it is called after seeing the defense. If you're on o-lineman and you need the time from the huddle to the LOS to figure out what you're supposed to do, I'm guessing the NFL is not for you.

You could argue a lot of things. That doesn't make it a good argument. Rush to the line as soon as the ball is down. Make your calls. Change your calls. Change your calls again. Stay in your stance for 30 seconds, and be explosive off the snap. If running the no huddle was easy, everyone would be doing it...

You could argue a lot of things. That doesn't make it a good argument. Rush to the line as soon as the ball is down. Make your calls. Change your calls. Change your calls again. Stay in your stance for 30 seconds, and be explosive off the snap. If running the no huddle was easy, everyone would be doing it...

 

 

Hell, if catching a football across the middle was easy, I'd be in the NFL.

 

Again, we're talking about professional football players. If the no-huddle gives you a true advantage, you have to run it. If linemen can't handle it, you have to get new linemen.

 

What is the difference in going to the huddle , coming out of the huddle, then having the qb call an audible? None that I can think of.

Hell, if catching a football across the middle was easy, I'd be in the NFL.

 

Again, we're talking about professional football players. If the no-huddle gives you a true advantage, you have to run it. If linemen can't handle it, you have to get new linemen.

 

What is the difference in going to the huddle , coming out of the huddle, then having the qb call an audible? None that I can think of.

So any and every lineman that enters the NFL can run it from day one? Right. That's dream land material. I have no doubt that these two will become very good at it. Right now, they aren't there yet. Mix that in with the teams they have on deck, and I think continuing it is a bad idea FOR NOW. How is it hard to grasp that the no huddle is more difficult on lineman than going conventional? Put them back in their comfort zone, and let them find that first...

So any and every lineman that enters the NFL can run it from day one? Right. That's dream land material. I have no doubt that these two will become very good at it. Right now, they aren't there yet. Mix that in with the teams they have on deck, and I think continuing it is a bad idea FOR NOW. How is it hard to grasp that the no huddle is more difficult on lineman than going conventional? Put them back in their comfort zone, and let them find that first...

 

You didn't answer how this is different from having an audible called at the LOS. Linemen either know their assignments or they don't.

You didn't answer how this is different from having an audible called at the LOS. Linemen either know their assignments or they don't.

Who do you see call that many from a huddle offense? Maybe a check from pass to a specific run, but nothing like you see Carson and Peyton call. Just curious, but do they run the no huddle at LSU or Directional Michigan? Young guys with no experience make up the two most important spots on the line right now. I'd like as much time as they can get to collect themselves in between snaps...

You could argue a lot of things. That doesn't make it a good argument. Rush to the line as soon as the ball is down. Make your calls. Change your calls. Change your calls again. Stay in your stance for 30 seconds, and be explosive off the snap. If running the no huddle was easy, everyone would be doing it...

 

If everyone had a Qb capable of running it they might be doing it.

If everyone had a Qb capable of running it they might be doing it.

Not with a line that can't pull it off. It takes both...

Here's my take. If you want to run a "true" no-huddle offense, then it needs to be like Buffalo in the early '90's. Let your QB call the plays. Guys like Carson Palmer should know the playbook inside and out. Let them call the plays. If you eliminated all this looking to the sideline, the team could get up to the line with no hesitation and then Palmer could call a play after looking the defense over. That would put some major pressure on a defense, IMO. And, I don't understand why some teams don't do this. These QB's are your franchise players. You should have the utmost trust and confidence in them and their decision making. If you trust them enough to change plays at the line, how is that any different than just letting them call the play to start with.

 

Offensive Coordinators could still construct the offense and playbook and come up with a game plan, but these elite QB's are good enough and smart enough to call plays, and I think they should be allowed to sometimes. That doesn't mean I think they should call every play of every game. I suspect they might get a little pass happy from time to time, so I think you would still need to go back to the huddle and the traditional set-up of letting the OC call plays. A good mix of the two would be best, IMO.

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The offense was non-existent today until they went no huddle.