Let me ask you this....A student has turrets syndrome. Every so often they'll call out vulgarities or profanity. Clearly against the rules and a punishable offense in the daily course of school. Do you believe that student deserves to be punished every time they do this?

 

Great question. Not sure how this is handled. But I do feel it is very different being verbal than it is physical. She did strike him first. And for the 20th time, no I don't think he should have hit her.

Let me ask you this....A student has turrets syndrome. Every so often they'll call out vulgarities or profanity. Clearly against the rules and a punishable offense in the daily course of school. Do you believe that student deserves to be punished every time they do this?

 

Physical violence to verbal tirade, great comparison.

I watched this video again. I would like to cut the first victim, the guy, some slack because if one is poked in the eye, sometimes our reflexes get the best of us. This may have happened, but his punch seems much more deliberate than that and completely inexcusable. I am surprised he didn't face some type of charge.

I never said that at all. I'm just not sure how you can punish someone for a physical disability. I'm thinking legally you'd be in hot water if you tried.

 

Your stance here is vastly different than it was in the NKU student cancer thread...

Your stance here is vastly different than it was in the NKU student cancer thread...

 

Not really. One is an adult, the other is a 12 year old child.

 

In addition, I already said if it's not a result of a tick, a spontaneous reaction that she has no control over, that she deserves to be punished.

Not really. One is an adult, the other is a 12 year old child.

 

In addition, I already said if it's not a result of a tick, a spontaneous reaction that she has no control over, that she deserves to be punished.

 

Not really? There you said the girl should be punished regardless of any disability she may have, and here you are saying she shouldn't be punished because she has a disability. Completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

Not really? There you said the girl should be punished regardless of any disability she may have, and here you are saying she shouldn't be punished because she has a disability. Completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

Completely different between a spontaneous reaction and a complex calculated plot to defraud hundreds of people of money and take steps to avoid being caught, don't you agree?

I watched this video again. I would like to cut the first victim, the guy, some slack because if one is poked in the eye, sometimes our reflexes get the best of us. This may have happened, but his punch seems much more deliberate than that and completely inexcusable. I am surprised he didn't face some type of charge.

 

He did face charges, was found not guilty.

He did face charges, was found not guilty.

 

Right, meant found guilty.

I watched this video again. I would like to cut the first victim, the guy, some slack because if one is poked in the eye, sometimes our reflexes get the best of us. This may have happened, but his punch seems much more deliberate than that and completely inexcusable. I am surprised he didn't face some type of charge.

I believe this is what happened, an automatic reflex on his part. There's more people than one thinks would have a similar reflex if hit in the face.

I'm probably one of the most non-combative people on earth, but years ago a friend of mine had a little too much to drink and we were discussing something (don't remember what) and for some reason he slapped me when I wasn't looking. Before I knew what I was doing I punched him within a millisecond and knocked him down. Later he apologized and so did I and everything was cool but I attribute my response in that incident as a simple automatic reflex from being struck while not looking in the direction of the aggression.

His reaction has no bearing on anything. You punch a 12 year old girl in the face, you deserve to face very stiff punishment.

 

I got no problem with what he did, but he should probably pay for some dental work.

If the girls strike was not a tick she should be punished. But there just isn't a justifiable reason outside of your life beimg endangered for a grown man to punch a 12 year old girl.

Wow, so in your world, she has the green light to hit anyone she wants due to her specific disability? Now she is a potential threat to all teachers and students? Hope your little angel never has to attend a school and ride the bus with a potential threat that has no need for punishment or removal from the program.

 

This is spot on. I work with individuals every day who kick, spit, and punch because they have learned that they can with no consequences, because they are "disabled". It is amazing to see how quickly they shape up when consequences are placed on their behavior.

 

The girl certainly did not deserve to be punched, but putting limits on such behaviors, just like any other child, teaches kids to control negative behavior.

 

In Tourette's, kids truly cannot help their verbal outbursts. There are a very few instances where behavior is not the fault of the child. But most outbursts can be modified. Children who have no consequences for their actions grow up to be very dangerous adults. Special need children who are not taught how to control themselves turn into into housing nightmares as adults. No one wants to take care of them, and their housing options become worse and worse with every bridge they burn.