I heard they were some some stupid fouls that she committed.

But still fouls.

Congrats to FC. Good luck the rest of the way.

But still fouls.

 

I agree, she just put herself in bad positions to get fouls.

Are you implying the refs called bogus fouls on her? Just wondering as I was not at the game.

 

Not bogus.... just ticky tacky touch fouls. She did nothing different than she has done all year. Just goes to show you that it imperative to adjust to different officials. Although I will say this, officials tend to have the mentality .... if it looks like a foul, it is a foul. Niece is a gamer and watching her throughout the year, I can tell you this, 99 % of the fouls called on her got no reaction from her.

Two of her fouls last night prompted a " how did I foul her? " response. For those of you who want to say Franklin County beat SK....you are wrong! Sk beat themselves last night. Poor weak side rebounding, too many unforced turnovers, defensive breakdowns, and flat out poor execution. They had a horrible game at a horrible time.

I realize some will cry sour grapes, and you're free to have your opinion, Niece called for ticky tacky stuff,but I witnessed Meier get absolutely mugged on several rebounds with no call...I also witnessed many many illegal/ moving screens by FC with no call, one of which the screener actually followed the defender for a couple steps, maintaining her screen position, right in front of the official....with no call, as the entire SK fan section was trying to help him make the call. I also watched FC players flat out walk several times , with no call. Saw Miles extend her forearm into Harney, knocking her to the ground, and blocking foul called on Harney. On top of that Miles got up and clapped her hands toward Harney who was still on the ground in disbelief of call. Taunting. ....automatic technical? I don't know the exact rule...but I thought officials should. Must be another one of those "judgement calls''.

Not gonna say one or two issues decided the game, but add them up and points coming after these missed calls didn't help the already struggling sk team.

Sk also received no help at all from Harmeyer. Her offensive contribution was non existent. I realize everyone will say ''she hardly played, no wonder she didn't score''. Well, here's a news flash, when she did play....her defensive effort ...wait for it, ....was non existent! Hope she learns that good defense will get you more playing time than just shooting threes. Imo, she has a lot of work to do . Could go on and on but won't bore you all any more.

I saw video of SK's last shot. It was really close regarding beating the clock. That would have made for interesting discussion.

I'm still baffled when SK scored FC player was going over to inbound the ball and hit Harney right in the dace in front of the ref.

I saw video of SK's last shot. It was really close regarding beating the clock. That would have made for interesting discussion.

 

 

She beat the clock just needed to go in. That was the only outside shot she took all game. She was posting people upand drawing fouls most the game. She is the complete player. She can play any position.

I'm still baffled when SK scored FC player was going over to inbound the ball and hit Harney right in the dace in front of the ref.

 

I completely understand that officials can't see or make all the right calls, I really do.

What bothers me is missing the calls that are gifted to them, the call that everyone in the venue sees but they somehow don't? Just looking for consistency.

For example, one call that has forever and a day baffled me.. girl a has possesion. Defenders b and c double team girl a, who is ultimately trying to keep possesion, by moving ball side to side. Some how or another, girl b or c ends up tying up girl a and jump ball is called.

You'll never convince me that there was not a foul committed by b or c. When a is moving, there is no way b or c can get both hands on ball without fouling.

I can see if ball handler is holding ball away from her body, but not if ball is at chin and moving side to side.

I completely understand that officials can't see or make all the right calls, I really do.

What bothers me is missing the calls that are gifted to them, the call that everyone in the venue sees but they somehow don't? Just looking for consistency.

For example, one call that has forever and a day baffled me.. girl a has possesion. Defenders b and c double team girl a, who is ultimately trying to keep possesion, by moving ball side to side. Some how or another, girl b or c ends up tying up girl a and jump ball is called.

You'll never convince me that there was not a foul committed by b or c. When a is moving, there is no way b or c can get both hands on ball without fouling.

I can see if ball handler is holding ball away from her body, but not if ball is at chin and moving side to side.

 

There are two sides to every story. I wonder how many calls FC fans think they missed on their behalf. How many missed fouls and travels. How many times was SK playing physical and had their hands on their girls. There are two sides. My guess if they wanted to they could come on here and give you examples of everything they saw!

 

I really just don't get it with "some" SK fans. It's either calls that got them or the SK lost it. It's never that the other team just beat you.

 

I've seen Franklin Co play. You don't think a lot of the stuff you mention was a result of FC?? You may say "weak back side rebounding" or "unforced turnovers". But my guess there was a reason for it. Whether it was because of a play before or nerves handling the ball against very quick and aggressive player for the entire game, there is usually something. And getting beat on back side rebounds is usually why people say they didn't do very good on the back side. Someone obviously beat them or outworked them.

 

I can't believe any adult would come on here during a state championship after a loss to a team that went to the finals last year and say that team didn't beat them. Regardless what one side thinks, that team beat them. Plain and simple. It wasn't the refs or SK that beat them, it was the kids on the FC bench!

 

This is what I said in the middle of the year when several teams were boasting about going out of town and being successful. When you play teams in the middle of the year and you are out of region, a lot of teams don't scout and plan. They just show up and play. But when it means something, teams take the time to plan. This is a perfect example of that. And that's not to rub in the loss at all. I was really hoping for SK/Holmes matchup. But you give coaches film and the fact that it's important now....that's why several knew this game would be a battle. I don't know if SK went in with the same game plan, but it's obvious FC made adjustments and they deserve credit for "beating" SK.

@RCC9... I am surprised, that you are surprised, by some of the comments and behavior that is being shown after the loss.

I am 9th region fan and pulling for SK at the game. Just cant believe I am seeing posts about reffing of this game. This was an a great game and 2 very good teams competed. But refs did not decide this game.

Niece is a good and smart player, she has to adjust and not foul 80 feet from the basket. Her own coach was clearly upset with her and not refs.

 

I loved her game last night, just wish she would have avoided bad fouls and been in the game more.

There are two sides to every story. I wonder how many calls FC fans think they missed on their behalf. How many missed fouls and travels. How many times was SK playing physical and had their hands on their girls. There are two sides. My guess if they wanted to they could come on here and give you examples of everything they saw!

 

I really just don't get it with "some" SK fans. It's either calls that got them or the SK lost it. It's never that the other team just beat you.

 

I've seen Franklin Co play. You don't think a lot of the stuff you mention was a result of FC?? You may say "weak back side rebounding" or "unforced turnovers". But my guess there was a reason for it. Whether it was because of a play before or nerves handling the ball against very quick and aggressive player for the entire game, there is usually something. And getting beat on back side rebounds is usually why people say they didn't do very good on the back side. Someone obviously beat them or outworked them.

 

I can't believe any adult would come on here during a state championship after a loss to a team that went to the finals last year and say that team didn't beat them. Regardless what one side thinks, that team beat them. Plain and simple. It wasn't the refs or SK that beat them, it was the kids on the FC bench!

 

This is what I said in the middle of the year when several teams were boasting about going out of town and being successful. When you play teams in the middle of the year and you are out of region, a lot of teams don't scout and plan. They just show up and play. But when it means something, teams take the time to plan. This is a perfect example of that. And that's not to rub in the loss at all. I was really hoping for SK/Holmes matchup. But you give coaches film and the fact that it's important now....that's why several knew this game would be a battle. I don't know if SK went in with the same game plan, but it's obvious FC made adjustments and they deserve credit for "beating" SK.

So, rcc9, you're trying to tell me that every teams breakdowns/deficiencies, are a direct result of the opposition performing better thus causing said breakdown/deficiency. Right? Don't believe that for one second. Could a good college team beat a pro team if indeed the pro team didn't box out, didn't hit fts,etc.etc.? You bet they could!

I understand that you , yourself coach. Correct? I think it's softball? Let me ask you this, if your players had several errors on routine ground balls, dropped fly balls on routine cans of corn, had baserunning blunders and sub par pitching, not to mention some bad calls thrown in the mix,all of which you knew and witnessed your team not usually do,and it resulted in your team losing by a run or two, would you tell your team they were ''beat'' by a better team just because they lost the game? I guarantee you wouldn't, because it wouldn't be the truth. First thing outta your mouth would be ''you all beat yourselves'',with your sub par performance/effort. And please don't insult me by saying softball and basketball are different, and I can't compare the two. All sports have individual aspects which in turn make up the TEAM.

My point is you can, lose a game , and not be ''beat'', plain and simple. As was the case last night. Franklin County did nothing so great that caused our problems. We did it to ourselves. Lack of effort, lazy play....call it what you want, but it was not Franklin's superior play!

I don't make excuses, I tell what I saw. If you were in attendance last night, great ,as an American you are entitled to your opinion. If not, that's great too! I really do try to give you the benefit of the doubt most times, but playing devils advocate for every team sk plays, really shows your true dislike for sk. Just my opinion....

So, rcc9, you're trying to tell me that every teams breakdowns/deficiencies, are a direct result of the opposition performing better thus causing said breakdown/deficiency. Right? Don't believe that for one second. Could a good college team beat a pro team if indeed the pro team didn't box out, didn't hit fts,etc.etc.? You bet they could!

I understand that you , yourself coach. Correct? I think it's softball? Let me ask you this, if your players had several errors on routine ground balls, dropped fly balls on routine cans of corn, had baserunning blunders and sub par pitching, not to mention some bad calls thrown in the mix,all of which you knew and witnessed your team not usually do,and it resulted in your team losing by a run or two, would you tell your team they were ''beat'' by a better team just because they lost the game? I guarantee you wouldn't, because it wouldn't be the truth. First thing outta your mouth would be ''you all beat yourselves'',with your sub par performance/effort. And please don't insult me by saying softball and basketball are different, and I can't compare the two. All sports have individual aspects which in turn make up the TEAM.

My point is you can, lose a game , and not be ''beat'', plain and simple. As was the case last night. Franklin County did nothing so great that caused our problems. We did it to ourselves. Lack of effort, lazy play....call it what you want, but it was not Franklin's superior play!

I don't make excuses, I tell what I saw. If you were in attendance last night, great ,as an American you are entitled to your opinion. If not, that's great too! I really do try to give you the benefit of the doubt most times, but playing devils advocate for every team sk plays, really shows your true dislike for sk. Just my opinion....

 

I'm out running errands right now. Will be home shortly and I will reply. But I don't think you're gonna like my reply. Because it will debunk what was said and what you're saying now and I don't think you're gonna like it. But give me a minute to get home.

A lot of sour grapes in here.

I said during the Christmas tournaments that some SK players disappeared on the big stage. SK missed too many free throws and had way too many unforced turnovers. You have to play well enough to overcome the officiating, and SK did not do that.

 

The only way you get rid of the big stage jitters is to gain experience on the big stage. The Louisville programs, Mercer County, Franklin County are in the big tournaments year after year. Experience in tournament play is critical to success.

 

Now, I'm going to make the aau crowd mad at me.

 

Street ball is better preparation for tournament play than AAU. How many of these NKy girls have played on a "No Blood , No Foul Court"? I bet none here in NKy. You look at Butler, at ETown and even Franklin and these girls are just flat out tougher, mentally and physically, than kids here in NKy.

 

I love it when I hear people say you have to adjust to the officiating. I agree completely, but the adjustment is not what you would think. If the officiating is calling ticky tac stuff on the perimeter , and allowing muggings under the basket, then you have to teach muggings under the basket. If body fouls that cut a player at waist are not called, then you have to coach body foul defending (prominent by smaller players).

 

This was a year in which I witnessed a player throw 2 punches in a game without being disqualified. That calls for an adjustment in coaching philosophy. If officiating is going to allow this level of contact, don't fight it and complain, embrace it and coach it!