Brohm is doing what Petrino did in his first stint at Louisville. He recruited a lot more in state players and won a lot of games doing it. In fact, he beat UK quite a bit with in state players. It has been proven.

 

Also, what Petrino and Brohm have come to see, more then likely, is that in state players have more vested in the program and want to do well for their in state school. Sure, you can't win with nothing but in state players, but the more you can get that are able to play at that level, the better your program will be. Not to mention, the more in state players you have, the better in state following you will have, which will lead to money for the program.

 

I must be missing your point.

 

The Lexington Herald Leader article says U of L has 6 scholarship players from the state of Kentucky on its roster. I know the entire roster is not Petrino's recruits, but, again, there are ONLY SIX on the roster.

 

Petrino has obviously not come to see having in-state players on his roster is of any significant value.

Brohm is doing what Petrino did in his first stint at Louisville. He recruited a lot more in state players and won a lot of games doing it. In fact, he beat UK quite a bit with in state players. It has been proven.

 

Also, what Petrino and Brohm have come to see, more then likely, is that in state players have more vested in the program and want to do well for their in state school. Sure, you can't win with nothing but in state players, but the more you can get that are able to play at that level, the better your program will be. Not to mention, the more in state players you have, the better in state following you will have, which will lead to money for the program.

 

Well, in-state or not, he'd have been a fool not to go all out to keep Brian Brohm and Michael Bush in town. Those kinds of talents coming from Jefferson County a year apart is a pretty rare occurrance.

 

And he got Montrell Jones after he washed out at Tennessee, so that was a guy he got back after he left.

 

Lots of paths that took guys to UofL in those days.

I honestly would like for you to name more than those few if you could? Or was back then also pretty consistent of only having between 10 or 15 scholarship players from KY? You may have a point, so yes I remember those names, but we're there other ky scholaslship boys on those teams that helped?

 

These same things were said during the Tubby years in bball too, saying we need more KY boys who love KY to compete. It's also like the many of parents across the state who believe their kids are the next big D1 stars and end up at D3 or NAIA schools. Which playing college Ball is great. However people completely underestimate how good someone must be to go D1.

 

Take a few of our last KY boys who dominated in high school. Patrick Towles best player in the state, below average as a qb in a major conference. However say he went to WKU he probably would have had a much better career playing against and in a Small conference. Take a look at Timmons from Franklin Co. He was an absolute stud in high school, and made defenses look silly trying to guard or tackle him. Yet in college playing in a major conference he has looked like a below average receiver, who couldn't get separation or catch as well. However I bet if he went to WKU he would have had a very good career in a smaller conference. Then people would be saying how did UK pass him up.

 

Ky as a state is starting to produce more D1 talent, which is awesome. However there is also a big difference between major conference D1 talent and small conference D1 talent. Uk has gotten some of the top boys in the state over the last 6 years and well look at the record.

 

Yeah if we are going to suck then yeah it would be nice to at least see even more KY boys. However getting more KY boys is not the answer to winning more like we all want. Some of the current WKU players putting up great numbers, could look more like Timmons has playing at UK in a major conference. Now when our state does produce higher level D1 talent I think UK and UL do a good job at getting them usually. However as a UL poster on here just said, most of the players on WKU roster wasn't going to help them win ACC games. The same can be said about SEC games.

 

Ky is producing more D1 talent these days, but right now that talent level does fit more perfectly for WKU in their smaller conference.

 

Really? I was starting to agree until you stated that Towles would have done better at a lower D1 school. What hurt Towles was the system not the level I mean where is WKU's former QB at now? That's right the Broncos as in NFL.

Really? I was starting to agree until you stated that Towles would have done better at a lower D1 school. What hurt Towles was the system not the level I mean where is WKU's former QB at now? That's right the Broncos as in NFL.

 

Yes I do think Towles would have done well at WKU, definitely better than at UK or Boston College. As we have seen with Towles even in a new system and new team. He is still around the same numbers as at UK whIle still playing in a major conference. In a smaller conference I do think he would have looked better.

 

Every now and then there is a player or two who ends up at a smaller d1 school or smaller conference that big schools missed on coming from high school. However that can be case across the country for any player who made it to the nfl from a smaller d1 school from a small conference.

 

Say both UK and UL both end up with 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY. That averages out to be about 3 kids each going to UL and UK every year. Meaning 6 players each year on average who graduate in KY that were D1 type major conference talent. Do you feel like there is more than 6 players each year in KY good enough to go play in major conferences each year like the SEC or acc? As I stated I believe ky is producing more D1 talent lately, but not enough higher level D1 yet.

 

I think if UK and UL have about 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY on a roster at a time, then that is about right. Meaning about 6 kids total each year being evaluated as good enough for major conference level. Sometimes it may be more some times less. However I not sure sure what number combined scholarship players from KY people are wanting between uk and ul. It's what 18 now? Imo between 20 to 24 players combined seem like a good number, which is not much more than 18.

I honestly would like for you to name more than those few if you could? Or was back then also pretty consistent of only having between 10 or 15 scholarship players from KY? You may have a point, so yes I remember those names, but we're there other ky scholaslship boys on those teams that helped?

 

These same things were said during the Tubby years in bball too, saying we need more KY boys who love KY to compete. It's also like the many of parents across the state who believe their kids are the next big D1 stars and end up at D3 or NAIA schools. Which playing college Ball is great. However people completely underestimate how good someone must be to go D1.

 

Take a few of our last KY boys who dominated in high school. Patrick Towles best player in the state, below average as a qb in a major conference. However say he went to WKU he probably would have had a much better career playing against and in a Small conference. Take a look at Timmons from Franklin Co. He was an absolute stud in high school, and made defenses look silly trying to guard or tackle him. Yet in college playing in a major conference he has looked like a below average receiver, who couldn't get separation or catch as well. However I bet if he went to WKU he would have had a very good career in a smaller conference. Then people would be saying how did UK pass him up.

 

Ky as a state is starting to produce more D1 talent, which is awesome. However there is also a big difference between major conference D1 talent and small conference D1 talent. Uk has gotten some of the top boys in the state over the last 6 years and well look at the record.

 

Yeah if we are going to suck then yeah it would be nice to at least see even more KY boys. However getting more KY boys is not the answer to winning more like we all want. Some of the current WKU players putting up great numbers, could look more like Timmons has playing at UK in a major conference. Now when our state does produce higher level D1 talent I think UK and UL do a good job at getting them usually. However as a UL poster on here just said, most of the players on WKU roster wasn't going to help them win ACC games. The same can be said about SEC games.

 

Ky is producing more D1 talent these days, but right now that talent level does fit more perfectly for WKU in their smaller conference.

 

To name a few...Arliss Beach, Taylor Bagley, Shane Boyd, Terry Clayton, Lonnell Dewalt, Justin Haydock, Andrew Hopewell, Matt Huff, Jason Leger, Dominic Lewis, Marcus MCclinton, Gerad Parker hmm should I keep going??

Yes I do think Towles would have done well at WKU, definitely better than at UK or Boston College. As we have seen with Towles even in a new system and new team. He is still around the same numbers as at UK whIle still playing in a major conference. In a smaller conference I do think he would have looked better.

 

Every now and then there is a player or two who ends up at a smaller d1 school or smaller conference that big schools missed on coming from high school. However that can be case across the country for any player who made it to the nfl from a smaller d1 school from a small conference.

 

Say both UK and UL both end up with 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY. That averages out to be about 3 kids each going to UL and UK every year. Meaning 6 players each year on average who graduate in KY that were D1 type major conference talent. Do you feel like there is more than 6 players each year in KY good enough to go play in major conferences each year like the SEC or acc? As I stated I believe ky is producing more D1 talent lately, but not enough higher level D1 yet.

 

I think if UK and UL have about 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY on a roster at a time, then that is about right. Meaning about 6 kids total each year being evaluated as good enough for major conference level. Sometimes it may be more some times less. However I not sure sure what number combined scholarship players from KY people are wanting between uk and ul. It's what 18 now? Imo between 20 to 24 players combined seem like a good number, which is not much more than 18.

 

Ok I can understand this. I felt like you were saying UK or UL couldn't win with KY players

To name a few...Arliss Beach, Taylor Bagley, Shane Boyd, Terry Clayton, Lonnell Dewalt, Justin Haydock, Andrew Hopewell, Matt Huff, Jason Leger, Dominic Lewis, Marcus MCclinton, Gerad Parker hmm should I keep going??

 

We're all those guys scholarship players and on the same Andre Woodson teams that did do well? I know some of those guys rarely played but I can't remember what exact years all those guys were on the team.

 

Also no I wasn't saying they can't win with KY guys. I'm just saying that the answer is not to go out and get a lot more ky players. Which is what this thread imo was trying to say. I think 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY at a time is about why, which for UK they are by that number.

We're all those guys scholarship players and on the same Andre Woodson teams that did do well? I know some of those guys rarely played but I can't remember what exact years all those guys were on the team.

 

Also no I wasn't saying they can't win with KY guys. I'm just saying that the answer is not to go out and get a lot more ky players. Which is what this thread imo was trying to say. I think 10 to 12 scholarship players from KY at a time is about why, which for UK they are by that number.

 

2004 our freshmen yr (program changers!)

I must be missing your point.

 

The Lexington Herald Leader article says U of L has 6 scholarship players from the state of Kentucky on its roster. I know the entire roster is not Petrino's recruits, but, again, there are ONLY SIX on the roster.

 

Petrino has obviously not come to see having in-state players on his roster is of any significant value.

I was speaking of his first coaching stint at Louisville. He has not done the same yet in this go around. But, I would expect he will.

I just looked at the rosters of Alabama and Auburn....two perennial top 20 team from the same state.

 

Alabama has over 40 from Alabama on the roster. Auburn also has over 40 players from the state of Alabama on the roster.

 

80 combined in-state players for Alabama and Auburn from the state of Alabama and 17 combined from UK and UofL from the state of Kentucky?

 

WOW!

 

I'm no football expert, but I don't think any of us are claiming that Kentucky high school football is anywhere near the equivalent of Alabama high school football.

Another way to look at this, how many KY kids get offers from power 5 schools and don't get offers from UK or UL? I think this would be a better answer to the question.

People can talk about how Ky players aren't "developed or good enough" all they want the but when the 2 largest programs have a total of 17 in-State scholarship players on their rosters it is a joke. I'm from Ohio so I have a pretty good idea of talent levels from other States and there is talent in this State to play at these two schools. I am not a fan of Petrino especially as at the beginning of this second stint he recruited/signed zero players from KY. It raised the ire of several KY HS coaches and administration that he had to have a "separate KY player only" Jr. Day the following recruiting year.

I will give UK a little more credit but as another poster put it, if these out of State players are so great and so much more developed why haven't both these schools won more and why are they ending up at UK or UL and not at Bama, OSU, or Clemson? Some years will be leaner than others obviously and I'm not advocating that the schools have 25-30 players from KY on their rosters but certainly 12-15 out of 85 scholarships should be realistic and achievable if the talent is there and I think it is.

Again, neither school is a football powerhouse. UK just got Bowl eligle this past week and they had to beat an FSC school to do it. UL has just become more than relevant within the past 4-5 years but just got man-handled by Houston who just got relevant in the last two years. So my point is both schools might just want to spend a little bit more time evaluating the talent that is right in your backyard (again at the 12-15 number) because there just might be some under the radar talent that "could" help both programs. Again just my opinion.

Totally agree. Think about this if you sign 3 players just 3 a year and if they stay all 4yrs then guess what there's 12 players out of your own back yard. May not sound like a lot but when you've got a team of 85 from all 50 states 12-15 from one state is a small gathering to say the least. But does fall back on the recruiters and the Head coaches actually assigning this state to a recruiter.

I'm no football expert, but I don't think any of us are claiming that Kentucky high school football is anywhere near the equivalent of Alabama high school football.

 

Exactly my point.

 

Two states of virtual identical populations, and such a great difference in football talent.

If the question is, could more in-state kids play at UK and UL, I would say yes. If the question is would UK and UL be more successful with these kids I would say no.