March 10, 201610 yr I find that hard to believe. I know many Republicans who are for Trump. I mean h rise winning a lot of states with a lot of votes. It's not Dems voting for him so someone has to be. More are voting against Trump than there are voting for Trump, in almost every single state.
March 10, 201610 yr It's the GOP's fault this whole mess came about to begin with it seems. Having 12+ candidates in the early going paved a way for Trump to get and continue to gain a lot of traction. They created this and now they don't want to live with it.
March 10, 201610 yr I find that hard to believe. I know many Republicans who are for Trump. I mean h rise winning a lot of states with a lot of votes. It's not Dems voting for him so someone has to be. Do you not watch the results? He is winning most of what he wins with 30-34% of the vote. That means that somewhere between 66-70% of republicans are voting for someone else. The word majority can mean a couple different things, but one thing all the definitions have in common is that its higher than 50%.
March 10, 201610 yr Do you not watch the results? He is winning most of what he wins with 30-34% of the vote. That means that somewhere between 66-70% of republicans are voting for someone else. The word majority can mean a couple different things, but one thing all the definitions have in common is that its higher than 50%. Isn't that to be expected when so many candidates run? Three ran for the GOP nomination for KY Governor, Bevin won the nomination with less than a majority so essentially most Republicans voted against him yet still showed up to vote him in as Governor. How is this presidential primary any different?
March 10, 201610 yr Isn't that to be expected when so many candidates run? Three ran for the GOP nomination for KY Governor, Bevin won the nomination with less than a majority so essentially most Republicans voted against him yet still showed up to vote him in as Governor. How is this presidential primary any different? The rules in play for the nomination are different. And people earlier in the thread throwing around the term will of the people needed addressed.
March 10, 201610 yr The rules in play for the nomination are different. And people earlier in the thread throwing around the term will of the people needed addressed. Exactly. If they're truly wanting to listen to the will of the people, the will of the people is that the majority of Republican primary voters do not feel Donald Trump is the best option.
March 10, 201610 yr If trump don't get the votes needed than so be it. If he does, the entitled need to shut the heck up, their act is getting very tiresome.
March 10, 201610 yr If trump don't get the votes needed than so be it. If he does, the entitled need to shut the heck up, their act is getting very tiresome. If he gets the 1,237 I don't think there is anything they can do about it. If he gets the nomination I'd venture a very large % of Republicans will stay home come election day.
March 10, 201610 yr Can someone tell me the rules for deciding the eventual nominee if none of the candidates reaches the minimum number of delegates necessary to win the nomination? If Trump does wind up the nominee, I will not be able to vote for either major party candidate. I will write in a person that best represents what I want in a President. If forced to choose between meth and heroine. I will choose neither.
March 10, 201610 yr Can someone tell me the rules for deciding the eventual nominee if none of the candidates reaches the minimum number of delegates necessary to win the nomination? If Trump does wind up the nominee, I will not be able to vote for either major party candidate. I will write in a person that best represents what I want in a President. If forced to choose between meth and heroine. I will choose neither. From what I could gather, there are two types of delegates. The vast majority are committed (like 95%), where as the rest are just pledged. When it comes time to vote, those that are committed must back the candidate they are committed to on the first vote. Those that are just pledged can back whomever they want. If no candidate after the first round of voting has reached the 1,237 number, all delegates are fair game to vote for whomever. Assuming this is correct, and I very well could be entirely wrong, I see no way Trump is the nominee unless he secures the 1,237 delegates before the convention.
March 10, 201610 yr From what I could gather, there are two types of delegates. The vast majority are committed (like 95%), where as the rest are just pledged. When it comes time to vote, those that are committed must back the candidate they are committed to on the first vote. Those that are just pledged can back whomever they want. If no candidate after the first round of voting has reached the 1,237 number, all delegates are fair game to vote for whomever. Assuming this is correct, and I very well could be entirely wrong, I see no way Trump is the nominee unless he secures the 1,237 delegates before the convention. Ohio and Florida will obviously be crucial to Trump since they are winner take all states. He really needs to win those two because like you said, he will not get the nomination unless he has 1237 before the convention. He has 456 delegates right now to Cruz's 356, even if Trump does not win either, although I believe he will win Florida's 99 delegates, Cruz will not close the gap on him as I wouldn't expect him to win Florida or Ohio either. If you start looking at the numbers, it may be tough for Trump to reach the needed delegate count though.
March 10, 201610 yr From what I could gather, there are two types of delegates. The vast majority are committed (like 95%), where as the rest are just pledged. When it comes time to vote, those that are committed must back the candidate they are committed to on the first vote. Those that are just pledged can back whomever they want. If no candidate after the first round of voting has reached the 1,237 number, all delegates are fair game to vote for whomever. Assuming this is correct, and I very well could be entirely wrong, I see no way Trump is the nominee unless he secures the 1,237 delegates before the convention. I think you're right. If someone gets 1,237 then they are the nominee. If not then the delegates are free to vote for whomever on subsequent ballots. It will be up to the powers that be to orchestrate a majority behind a candidate (I think this will require multiple attempts, compromises, etc.). Considering the delegates are mostly state and local party members or politicians, and thus loosely part of the so-called "establishment," they will be more easily swayed to get behind an "establishment" candidate. Trump is toast under that scenario. But I imagine his followers will mutiny. Conversely, if Trump wins the nomination outright, I imagine many of the traditional Republicans will boycott, endorse the Constitution Party's candidate, or otherwise stay home.
March 10, 201610 yr I think you're right. If someone gets 1,237 then they are the nominee. If not then the delegates are free to vote for whomever on subsequent ballots. It will be up to the powers that be to orchestrate a majority behind a candidate (I think this will require multiple attempts, compromises, etc.). Considering the delegates are mostly state and local party members or politicians, and thus loosely part of the so-called "establishment," they will be more easily swayed to get behind an "establishment" candidate. Trump is toast under that scenario. But I imagine his followers will mutiny. Conversely, if Trump wins the nomination outright, I imagine many of the traditional Republicans will boycott, endorse the Constitution Party's candidate, or otherwise stay home. I agree. I think the establishment is gearing up for Kasich to be that guy if it comes to that.
March 10, 201610 yr I agree. I think the establishment is gearing up for Kasich to be that guy if it comes to that. Seems right to me. I think the tricky part is this: If you were a voter who supported a candidate who got more votes than Kasich (or Rubio/Bush) would you be more turned off by the party elevating him to the nomination or by bringing in someone who hadn't run in the primaries at all (Romney/Ryan/Someone)?
March 10, 201610 yr So the trick to holding power for the republican establishment is to enter enough primary candidates that it is virtually impossible to secure the 1,237 delegates needed for the nomination, hand the nomination to the partys' chosen one and never allow the American people to demand change through the election process. Brilliant!
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