Were those "state titles" actually recognized by a neutral party? Or did Ashland go undefeated those years and simply proclaime themselves as such?

 

Im not completely sure, so Im not going to give you a definite answer, but I'll try and find out. If I had to guess though, I would say most but not all are recognized by a neutral party. They are all listed at Putnam and also in the programs featured throughout the year.

In 1958, the winner was Flaget, not Ashland.

Danville has a mythical state championship somewhere around that time.

In 1958, the winner was Flaget, not Ashland.

That illustrates the farce that mythical state titles are .. two teams are claiming the state title in the same year. :lol:

one of Manual's isn't so mythical, they played in a National title game down in Louisiana and won over New Britian.

 

That illustrates the farce that mythical state titles are .. two teams are claiming the state title in the same year. :lol:

 

Doesn't that remind you of the following:

 

Colorado-Georgia Tech, 1990

Miami-Washington, 1991

Nebraska-Penn State, 1994

Michigan-Nebraska, 1997

Southern California-Louisiana State, 2003

 

Just to name a few!

Danville has a mythical state championship somewhere around that time.

 

1954.

Flaget closed after the 1973 season. They tied Thomas Jefferson High School for the Class AAA state title in 1971. Flaget finished 6-4 in 1972 and 3-7 in 1973, the final year of football. Neither squad made the playoffs.

 

 

Hence my later change to that post. :thumb:

Thanks for the input. I'll continue research using the Courier Journal. 1957 was St. Xavier's second state title according to the Litratings in the CJ. The Rotary Bowl was held in 1957 and St. X did not participate. Male was recognized by the CJ in 1954.

Since the Courier paid for the Litkenhous rating system that's the one they recognized in their sports section. There was no AP poll apparently. The All-state teams were voted on by coaches and the media and these were sent in to the CJ and tabulated. Some seasons multiple teams went undefeated. So there could be room for dispute. Games against out of state competition were not included (and still are not included) in the CJs ratings.

rocks86 - These various discrepencies make it apparent that these things were totally subjective back then. So it's hard to say who was the trye state champion in the years before the playoffs.

1954.

Thanks I couldn't remember what year

rocks86 - These various discrepencies make it apparent that these things were totally subjective back then. So it's hard to say who was the trye state champion in the years before the playoffs.

 

I agree, but I will continue to compile as much information as possible. To me the 1958 is cut and dried as Flaget went to Highlands as the #2 in litratings and the Birds were #1. The following year saw the dawn of playoffs here. In Ohio, they relied on Litkenhous until 1972! It's for fun and it is interesting to note that Trinity's starting QB in 1956 weighed 145 lbs and St. X 160, Flaget 165. The Courier Journal listed lineups, until 1956, then changed to the more familiar box score we see nowadays. Maybe down the road, the disputed years can be judged on this website based on comparative scores and any other info I can come across. Once I have more complete information at my fingertips I'll pass along the tidbits.

 

Attendance for the 1958 Rotary Bowl was estimated at 6,000. Not bad!

To me the 1958 is cut and dried as Flaget went to Highlands as the #2 in litratings and the Birds were #1.

I agreed that Flaget was the champ -- that year.

Highlands beat Ashland 19 - 0 in 1943 to become Mythical State Champs.

 

Was LN on this team:D

Was LN on this team:D

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

I'm sure some days he feels like he was.