I don't think I can make it any clearer than I did in post #5. It immediatly waters down the field by 21% and waters it down 14% more than the previous expansion in 1975. If you can't understand that, I can't make it any more simple for you.

Like I said, it makes the case for 5, but also supports some kind of new system based on what worked in the past. FWIW I still believe 07-11 is a trail run for something more to the middle...

Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems this is a problem for adults (the move to 6 classes). I think a state title is a state title, and in no way will that be diminished in a young persons mind. I asked a relative who plays HS ball in Ky. about this and he gave a very enthusiastic reply to winning a state title. Having been a part of coaching staffs that have won state championships, and seeing the look on the faces of the kids reaping this reward, I can't see any youngster feeling a state championship being de-valued.

And what would be the split in other states?

 

Ask and you shall receive.

 

Location 2005 Population # of Titles Average

Flordia 17,789,864 6 2,964,977

Pennsylvania 12,429,616 6 2,071,603

Ohio 11,464,042 6 1,910,674

Georgia 9,072,576 5 1,814,515

Illinois 12,763,371 8 1,595,421

New York 19,254,630 13 1,481,125

Texas 22,859,968 16 1,428,748

Maryland 5,600,388 4 1,400,097

Michigan 10,120,860 8 1,265,108

Indiana 6,271,973 5 1,254,395

North Carolina 8,683,242 8 1,085,405

Washington 6,287,759 6 1,047,960

Oregon 3,641,056 4 910,264

Louisianna 4,523,628 5 904,726

Minnesota 5,132,799 6 855,467

South Carolina 4,255,083 5 851,017

Arizona 5,939,292 7 848,470

Virginia 7,567,465 9 840,829

Missouri 5,800,310 7 828,616

Wisconsin 5,536,201 7 790,886

Alabama 4,557,808 6 759,635

California 36,132,147 48 752,753

Tennessee 5,962,959 8 745,370

Massachusetts 6,398,743 9 710,971

Kentucky 4,173,405 6 695,568

Arkansas 2,779,154 4 694,789

Colorado 4,665,177 7 666,454

Hawaii 1,275,194 2 637,597

West Virginia 1,816,856 3 605,619

Nevada 2,414,807 4 603,702

Connecticut 3,510,297 6 585,050

Iowa 2,966,334 6 494,389

Utah 2,469,585 5 493,917

Kansas 2,744,687 6 457,448

Oklahoma 3,547,884 8 443,486

Maine 1,321,505 3 440,502

New Jersey 8,717,925 20 435,896

Delaware 843,524 2 421,762

Alaska 663,661 2 331,831

Mississippi 2,921,088 9 324,565

New Mexico 1,928,384 6 321,397

Nebraska 1,758,787 6 293,131

Rhode Island 1,076,189 4 269,047

New Hampshire 1,309,940 5 261,988

Idaho 1,429,096 6 238,183

Montana 935,670 5 187,134

North Dakota 636,677 4 159,169

Vermont 623,050 4 155,763

South Dakota 775,933 6 129,322

Wyoming 509,294 5 101,859

Sorry couldn't get the columns to line up when transfering data to BGP. Population figures are used based on the 2005 estimated state population per census.gov. Overall when compared to other states it doesn't really look like KY's championships will be that watered down with the new format. Does give you more of an appreciation for state champions from Flordia, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Wow. That took some work. Thanks Strike-3. It seems to me the problem comes from population shift from rural to urban, creating a "haves and have-nots" situation. Does anyone know if any of the five classes in Wyoming are 8-man titles?

Wow. That took some work. Thanks Strike-3. It seems to me the problem comes from population shift from rural to urban, creating a "haves and have-nots" situation. Does anyone know if any of the five classes in Wyoming are 8-man titles?[/QUOTE]

 

State Football Championships

 

 

Wyoming

5-A: Cheyenne Central

4-A: Buffalo

3-A: Kemmerer

2-A: Sundance

1-A: Upton

 

It doesn't state that any of the divisions were less than 11 man football. In states that have 8-man championships they were labeled as such on the site.

Wow. That took some work. Thanks Strike-3. It seems to me the problem comes from population shift from rural to urban, creating a "haves and have-nots" situation. Does anyone know if any of the five classes in Wyoming are 8-man titles?

All five classes are eleven man football. Each class has 11 or 12 teams in it. Eight teams from each class go to playoffs.

 

BTW, I thought this was unusual about Wyoming

First Practice w/Out Pads: August 14th, 2006

First Practice w/Pads: August 17th, 2006

First Contest: August 31st, 2006

All five classes are eleven man football. Each class has 11 or 12 teams in it. Eight teams from each class go to playoffs.

 

BTW, I thought this was unusual about Wyoming

First Practice w/Out Pads: August 14th, 2006

First Practice w/Pads: August 17th, 2006

First Contest: August 31st, 2006

 

Now that IS watered down. I don't we have anything to worry about in Kentucky.

Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems this is a problem for adults (the move to 6 classes). I think a state title is a state title, and in no way will that be diminished in a young persons mind. I asked a relative who plays HS ball in Ky. about this and he gave a very enthusiastic reply to winning a state title. Having been a part of coaching staffs that have won state championships, and seeing the look on the faces of the kids reaping this reward, I can't see any youngster feeling a state championship being de-valued.

I agree 100%. I pose an open question to all these people who are complaining about the competition being watered down. When and If youre school ever makes it to Louisville and wins a state title are YOU going to be the one to run out on the field to remind these kids who just played theyre hearts out that that trophy theyre holding isnt as important as it used to be?

My guess is no. Cause you know youd probably get wore out on the 50 yard line in front 50,000 people and it would be well deserved I might add.

This was a topic in another thread, and I thought it was interesting enough for its own. Here are the KY population numbers and a break down from 1970-(projected)2008 and the population per state football title...

 

1970 population 3,218,706

3 Titles

1,072,902 people per title

 

1975 population (projected between 1970-1980 census) 3,388,228

4 titles

847,057 people per title

 

1980- 3,557,750

4 titles

889,427 per title

 

2000 4,041,769

4

1,010,442 per title

 

2008 (projected using same growth as 1990-2000) 4,355,411

6

725,901 per title

 

Does this change anything in some peoples minds???

 

Not when you compare it to Ohio.

 

Also the state population itself is not the greatest comparison to use. What you need to compare is football playing schools.

 

How many schools per title were there in 75 compared to this new title. That would more directly reflect how watered down the titles would be. State population is irrelevant if the team numbers don't change drastically, because school enrollment break offs would just change with population growth.

I pose an open question to all these people who are complaining about the competition being watered down. When and If youre school ever makes it to Louisville and wins a state title are YOU going to be the one to run out on the field to remind these kids who just played theyre hearts out that that trophy theyre holding isnt as important as it used to be?

My guess is no. Cause you know youd probably get wore out on the 50 yard line in front 50,000 people and it would be well deserved I might add.

What a ridiculous question.

 

Teams can only play the opponents that are put in front of them. But we, as fans, have every right to argue that six classes waters down the competition. And the evidence is there to support that premise.

Not when you compare it to Ohio.

 

Also the state population itself is not the greatest comparison to use. What you need to compare is football playing schools.

 

How many schools per title were there in 75 compared to this new title. That would more directly reflect how watered down the titles would be. State population is irrelevant if the team numbers don't change drastically, because school enrollment break offs would just change with population growth.

1. You don't live in Ohio. Let it go.

 

2. I didn't say it was the best comparison, I just listed the numbers a detractor tried to use as proof for his claim.

 

3. School enrollment changes with the needs and wants of a community. No more, no less...

1. You don't live in Ohio. Let it go.

 

2. I didn't say it was the best comparison, I just listed the numbers a detractor tried to use as proof for his claim.

 

3. School enrollment changes with the needs and wants of a community. No more, no less...

None of what you said has anything to disprove that football playing high schools would be a better comparison.

 

Point about Ohio is, Ohio football and Texas football are the best in the country. I think would be intelligent to atleast mimick an already well oiled machine.

None of what you said has anything to disprove that football playing high schools would be a better comparison.

 

Point about Ohio is, Ohio football and Texas football are the best in the country. I think would be intelligent to atleast mimick an already well oiled machine.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken..... You have to do what is best for KY kids, not copy what is best for kids in a state the size of Ohio. What message do you send a kid when he fights to an undefeated season only to miss the playoffs???

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken....

Ok Confuscious