November 2, 201510 yr Incorrect. Duke accepts penalty, TD in nullified and you play one untimed down. In this case that would have been from the 8, half the distance from spot of foul. Had they called the penalty on the idiot running down the field without his helmet that would have been another half the distance. Faux is correct. You can't TAKE the penalty and not give the other team a chance to replay the down. Extension of Periods ARTICLE 3. a. A period shall be extended for an untimed down if one or more of the following occurs during a down in which time expires (A.R. 3-2-3-I-VIII): 1. A penalty is accepted for a live-ball foul(s) (Exception: Rule 10-2-5-a). The period is not extended if the foul is by the team in possession and the statement of the penalty includes loss of down (A.R. 3-2-3-VIII). 2. There are offsetting fouls. 3. An official sounds his whistle inadvertently or otherwise incorrectly signals the ball dead. b. Additional untimed downs will be played until a down is free of the circumstances in statements 1, 2 and 3 of Rule 3-2-3-a (above). c. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time expires, the period is extended for the try (Exception: Rule 8-3-2-a). I guess it's the loss of down part. I had always thought that if the team in possession committed the penalty, it was over. If it is a penalty that would end in loss of down game would be over then? Not sure what penalty for offense with a positive gain would end in loss of down though.
November 2, 201510 yr I guess it's the loss of down part. I had always thought that if the team in possession committed the penalty, it was over. I think that's true in the NFL.
November 2, 201510 yr I think that's true in the NFL. I copied that from an NCAA website, because I was confused about it. You always hear game can't end on a defensive penalty, you never hear offensive penalty.
November 2, 201510 yr I copied that from an NCAA website, because I was confused about it. You always hear game can't end on a defensive penalty, you never hear offensive penalty. Has to be something though? Gave cannot just be over , or the TD counts? I'm just repeating what is being said, no actual knowledge of how it works. Maybe a 10 second run off game over?
November 2, 201510 yr Has to be something though? Gave cannot just be over , or the TD counts? I'm just repeating what is being said, no actual knowledge of how it works. Maybe a 10 second run off game over? Clyde is a ref, so he would know. I trust his judgement. I guess I've not seen a game ending touchdown with a penalty on the offense before. I can recall teams getting a second chance based on a defensive penalty, but not the other way around.
November 2, 201510 yr Clyde is a ref, so he would know. I trust his judgement. I guess I've not seen a game ending touchdown with a penalty on the offense before. I can recall teams getting a second chance based on a defensive penalty, but not the other way around. To be clear: I am NOT a football official. How often do we see 1)a TD on the final play with 2)a penalty on the offense? If it wasn't a TD on the final play the D would simply decline the penalty and the half/game would be over.
November 2, 201510 yr I'd say with 99.99999999% certainty that there is no allowance, at any level, for the offense to gain an untimed down by committing a penalty themselves. That'd be crazy to allow.
November 2, 201510 yr To be clear: I am NOT a football official. How often do we see 1)a TD on the final play with 2)a penalty on the offense? If it wasn't a TD on the final play the D would simply decline the penalty and the half/game would be over. Oh I thought you were. I'm sorry.
November 2, 201510 yr I'd say with 99.99999999% certainty that there is no allowance, at any level, for the offense to gain an untimed down by committing a penalty themselves. That'd be crazy to allow. Sure there is. In this case if they had tackled the runner the D simply declines the penalty. Offense would gain no advantage by pro actively committing a penalty.
November 2, 201510 yr To be clear: I am NOT a football official. . But you did stay at a holiday inn express last night.
November 2, 201510 yr I'd say with 99.99999999% certainty that there is no allowance, at any level, for the offense to gain an untimed down by committing a penalty themselves. That'd be crazy to allow. Incorrect. College rule 3-3-3 , I believe. Says that if EITHER team accepts a penalty against the other team on the last play of a quarter the quarter is extended for one untimed down. Duke would have accepted the penalty which would have resulted in them kicking off again.
November 2, 201510 yr Duke accepts the penalty, gains the penalty yardage and kicks it through the end zone. No time runs off an untimed down. Game over?
November 2, 201510 yr How much money will this cost Duke for bowl games/championship games? How can a voter move the Blue Devils down in their polls? Potential loss of $16 million (difference between Fiesta Bowl and the "lowest" ACC-affiliated game).
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