I didn't mean to imply that if the vote happened it would pass. I believe that the folks I have talked to told me that it took that many votes to get it considered. So I guess since the KHSAA doesn't make the laws then what do they do besides hire and train the referees? If the KHSAA doesn't serve the Kentucky High Schools and Athletes then they need to take that off of their homepage, http://www.khsaa.org/ "Serving Kentucky's High Schools and Athletes since 1917"

 

 

The number one mission of the KHSAA is to ENFORCE the laws. They also are the agent of the KDE to administer and regulate high school athletics. But there are limitations, imposed by the Constitution, on the KHSAA's ability to add regulations and laws, particularly if the Constitution is going to be amended. Serving the Ky High Schools is one thing. Being forced to accept changes to the constitution just because over 2/3rds of of the schools want the change is another thing. Ever heard the phrase "tyranny of the majority"?

There was a huge lawsuit in TN about the division of public and private. Not real clear on what all the issues were, but there was a lawsuit.

If I am not mistaken this is still being fought in a court. There was recently a ruling (Google it, I don't have the time) that found in favor of the private schools and basicly said that is wasn't a function of a state athletics association to insure a level playing field between schools rather it was their function to enforce rules.

I didn't mean to imply that if the vote happened it would pass. I believe that the folks I have talked to told me that it took that many votes to get it considered. So I guess since the KHSAA doesn't make the laws then what do they do besides hire and train the referees? If the KHSAA doesn't serve the Kentucky High Schools and Athletes then they need to take that off of their homepage, http://www.khsaa.org/ "Serving Kentucky's High Schools and Athletes since 1917"

To the contrary, doing what is right, doesn't always mean doing what the majority "think" they want. And have you noticed the number of people who have, since the vote, said "we never really wanted it, we just wanted the issue brought to the forefront." Many of the most vocal leaders of the proposal including Sears, Crump and others have been saying that now for months. "Serving" doesn't simply mean rubber stamping. Sometimes, it is to make sure the right thing is done. Hopefully, that service will continue, even when decisions are difficult and/or unpopular.

Politics usually means common sense goes out the window especially in Kentucky. Explanations are not required and will never be provided.

 

Excessive enrollment- How bout this idea?

The answer to any "AAAA" schools excessive enrollment advantage could be for them to field two teams. When any "AAAA" school reaches a certain % of more students then the average of the competing schools they could be required to field two teams. They could randomly assign each student by a third party to an athletic division within their school and their assigned division is the team they would play for in any sport with classifications for their 4 yrs.

 

Granted it would be more expensive for those schools and create scheduling issues etc... but it could be done. It would level the playing field regarding enrollment and offer twice as many kids at those schools a chance to compete. Consider what would be best for the kids!

 

The class system does a fair job of keeping the enrollment comparable up to the largest schools. Its there within the largest schools excess that you have an imbalance that needs to be addressed. Sure some smaller schools compete with schools with twice as many students but its within scale.

 

The recruiting battle will rage on forever. ALL schools are always going to look for ways to get kids to come to their school inside or outside of the regulations. I cant think of anything that could stop recruiting but at least the size disparity could be managed better.

Politics usually means common sense goes out the window especially in Kentucky. Explanations are not required and will never be provided.

 

Excessive enrollment- How bout this idea?

The answer to any "AAAA" schools excessive enrollment advantage could be for them to field two teams. When any "AAAA" school reaches a certain % of more students then the average of the competing schools they could be required to field two teams. They could randomly assign each student by a third party to an athletic division within their school and their assigned division is the team they would play for in any sport with classifications for their 4 yrs.

 

Granted it would be more expensive for those schools and create scheduling issues etc... but it could be done. It would level the playing field regarding enrollment and offer twice as many kids at those schools a chance to compete. Consider what would be best for the kids!

 

The class system does a fair job of keeping the enrollment comparable up to the largest schools. Its there within the largest schools excess that you have an imbalance that needs to be addressed. Sure some smaller schools compete with schools with twice as many students but its within scale.

 

The recruiting battle will rage on forever. ALL schools are always going to look for ways to get kids to come to their school inside or outside of the regulations. I cant think of anything that could stop recruiting but at least the size disparity could be managed better.

 

By the same token how do you assign coaches, practice time etc. That is a logisitcal nightmare for those schools. What about those kids who have siblings on the team who are randomly assigned to a different team? What about the parents in that case? That sounds good but from a practical stanpoint it would be way too difficult to field two varsity squads.

Difficult to implement such a concept because it would be new and different than the current, but I believe it would quickly become the accepted norm. Two of everything yes but only because the schools are so large. They are large enough to accommodate the students in the classroom they should and would be able to manage the sports aspect too. If schools are allowed to continue to become so large then they have to find a way to offer more of their student’s opportunities to compete with other schools at the varsity level. This should be as much about the kids having more opportunity as it is about competitive fairness.

Difficult to implement such a concept because it would be new and different. But I believe it would quickly become the accepted norm. Two of everything yes but only because the schools are so large. They are large enough to accomodate the students in the classroom they should and would be able to manage the sports aspect too. If schools are allowed to continue to become so large then they have to find a way to offer more of thier students opportunities to compete with other schools at the varsity level. This should be as much about the kids having more opportunity as it is about competitive fairness.

 

 

How would you propose that Trinity implements it space wise? Are you saying we need a certain amount of acres per number of students or what? That may be easier in other parts of the state but up here land is pricey. There is a big difference in the space needed for class sizes to be small and the space needed to handle multiple football teams.

 

You are saying because a school is large they should have to invest even more money into things on that, what about teacher's salaries? What about services for the students. Athletics in school are a privelage not a right.

How about putting this on the small schools. I say make them combine teams.

Runfirst - interesting concept but due to geographies probably not realistic.

 

Peprock1- since you mention Trinity,

Football - perhaps they could share their practice field or alternate teams practicing on their field on campus.

Baseball - not sure what their current arrangement is but I feel sure they could alternate/share their existing facility or secure the use of a field or yes invest money to buy land similar to what Collegiate and Assumption have done. Both landlocked campuses making the best of their situation.

 

I think the real burden of this arrangement would be on the public schools.

But think about it, under this arrangement a school could grow as large as it likes and just keep adding teams as needed to maintain fairness.

 

I agree sports is a privilege not a right, but a privilege realistically offered to all not just the selected few, note the word realistically. This is high school sports for young adults who are still kids, growing and developing. I'm not suggesting every one gets to play regardless, never have and never would, but a problem exist and this solution is viable and would resolve it and provide better opportunities to more kids.

Another thing that concerns me is what splitting the team would do to the feeling of brotherhood felt by many Trinity players. We are supposed to subdivide our community because some school districts refuse to let their schools increase in enrollmont? Sorry I have issues with the KHSAA having that much control over the schools.

Wouldnt this increase the brotherhood, rooting for more kids from the same brotherhood?

Wouldnt this increase the brotherhood, rooting for more kids from the same brotherhood?

 

 

Pitting them against each other, that sounds like a great way to bond them.

haha cmon competition is what its all about!

haha cmon competition is what its all about!

 

At this point it is safe to say that nothing you can possibly say will ever sway me to think that we should split up our team like that. The very concept disgusts me.

 

I just thought I would try to let you see my perspective on the matter; kind of difficult to do sometimes though when both sides are so disparate.

I hear ya pep!

 

Two different sides, I agree, but not sure the resolution is the difference in the two sides.

Do we even agree that there is a problem to solve with unfair advantage in enrollments?