AND....now that you have admitted to cheating...trying to influence the umpire to call a foul ball your way, I assume your lecture is over.

If you can't see the difference between the two situations then I feel sorry for the kids that you coach. The lessons that you are teaching them are pathetic.

 

There's a huge difference between pointing fair and arguing to get an umpire to make a call that you know to be incorrect.

 

Was the umpire that you deliberately tried to mislead an adult?

Yes I have BUT I didn't expect the umpire to change his call. Arguing when you think an umpire has made a mistake and arguing when you know that you are wrong about a rules interpretation are two totally different things.

 

One is part of the game the other is trying to cheat just the same as if you knowingly played an ineligible player or tried to change your batting order. At the very worst it is a poor example of sportsmanship. In fact had I been umpiring the game in question I would have probably invited you to leave the playing field.

 

If I may ask, what level of competition did this coaching stroke of genius take place and how old was the umpire that you got to make this call?

 

 

:laugh: What do you mean probably? One of my biggest peeves is coaches who do not know the rules (or coaches who try to test your knowledge of them). Either of these types are on a very short leash after they initiate a discussion with me during a game.:irked:

You are right, I believe now - I went back and reviewed my post that you quoted and I had it all mixed up.:confused: :lol: Who am I, why am I here, where are we:confused: :confused: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for the confusion.I think:laugh: :laugh:

 

 

Glad it's cleared up now.

 

 

:laugh: What do you mean probably? One of my biggest peeves is coaches who do not know the rules (or coaches who try to test your knowledge of them). Either of these types are on a very short leash after they initiate a discussion with me during a game.:irked:

 

Hahhaah...I've seen your type...I wear the blue, don't question my authority.

I bet your the type that actually think the fans pay to see you...hahahh

 

The best umps are the umps that don't get in a fluster when a coach questions a call, but are confident enough to simply say " no sale, not today coach" and continue play

Standing up for the kids is not acting like a fool. The run should not count. It is my opinion that if there is a rules violation at any level including T-Ball that it is the coaches responsibility to question the umpire. The approach is the difference in being a responsible coach or acting like a fool.

 

:thumb: I am an umpire and that is a true statement. It's all in the approach. If a coach approaches me calmly and courtiously, I will discuss anything he wants to discuss. If it something that I missed, it does happen once a decade(HA HA), then I will do everything I can to fix the situation. Even if it makes me look bad, the important thing is getting it right. Now, if a coach comes at me wildly while screaming and acting a fool, you might as well turn back around. I'm not going to stoop to his/her level in front of everybody. He/she will probaly be exiting the field if he does calm down. It's all about the approach, I wish coaches could keep their emotions in check. They would get alot more things accomplished with umpires if they could.

Glad it's cleared up now.

:thumb: :lol: :lol:

:thumb: I am an umpire and that is a true statement. It's all in the approach. If a coach approaches me calmly and courtiously, I will discuss anything he wants to discuss. If it something that I missed, it does happen once a decade(HA HA), then I will do everything I can to fix the situation. Even if it makes me look bad, the important thing is getting it right. Now, if a coach comes at me wildly while screaming and acting a fool, you might as well turn back around. I'm not going to stoop to his/her level in front of everybody. He/she will probaly be exiting the field if he does calm down. It's all about the approach, I wish coaches could keep their emotions in check. They would get alot more things accomplished with umpires if they could.

:thumb: :thumb: Good post and comments UCF, I have coached and umpired in youth sports from the "little league, aabc" ages to babe ruth league. it is all in the way you approach the situation. I only got booted from one game at any level, that was in babe ruth ball and I went to question an umpire on a ruling call that I knew I was right on,, instead imo of listening to what I had to say he sarcastically pointed to his "patch" on the arm of his shirt and told me "thats how I know, get back in the dugout". Needless to say I "got excited":lol: and ask him if he got that patch at a K-mart blue light special closeout sale. Before he had gotten the words "your outta here", I was handing the lineup card and scorebook to my other coach and walking to the bleachers. . I deserved it, I knew it, end of story:laugh:

Hahhaah...I've seen your type...I wear the blue, don't question my authority.

I bet your the type that actually think the fans pay to see you...hahahh

 

The best umps are the umps that don't get in a fluster when a coach questions a call, but are confident enough to simply say " no sale, not today coach" and continue play

 

DD, You don't know anything about me....and I don't know anything about you. But it appears you're living in LALA land. We're not out there to argue the rules with you....you should know the rules. And, if one of us "blues" misapply one, then you come out and talk about it. But, too many times, I see coaches come out because either (A. They don't know the rule) or (B. They are tried to get their team or crowd fired up).(And,in the case of B, who's trying to be noticed?) In A, I expect to explain the rule and have the coach return to the dugout promptly. In B, the second time you start out, you might be heading to the bus.:walk: I don't want anyone to notice me while I'm on the field, and I'm going to make sure that you don't put the "spotlight" on me. In the case of situation B, all you are doing is trying to show me up. Good umps don't appreciate it and good coaches don't do it.

DD, You don't know anything about me....and I don't know anything about you. But it appears you're living in LALA land. We're not out there to argue the rules with you....you should know the rules. And, if one of us "blues" misapply one, then you come out and talk about it. But, too many times, I see coaches come out because either (A. They don't know the rule) or (B. They are tried to get their team or crowd fired up).(And,in the case of B, who's trying to be noticed?) In A, I expect to explain the rule and have the coach return to the dugout promptly. In B, the second time you start out, you might be heading to the bus.:walk: I don't want anyone to notice me while I'm on the field, and I'm going to make sure that you don't put the "spotlight" on me. In the case of situation B, all you are doing is trying to show me up. Good umps don't appreciate it and good coaches don't do it.

 

Like I said....goo umps know how to handle it with minimum discussion and a pleasant attitude

Like I said....goo umps know how to handle it with minimum discussion and a pleasant attitude

 

The good "blues" do....the first time. Then, I refer you to my earlier post. Geniune inquiries are met with geniune explanations. My experience has been that the better coaches already know the rules. However, at least in my case, I do not suffer ignorance gladly. For example, this year alone:

 

1.The hands are part of the bat.

2. You should warn a pitcher before you call a balk.

3. He's out....he didn't slide

4. That's not inference, he was in the box.

 

Inquiries like this are not subject to long explanations from me. These coaches should have known better. And, I might add, they were all from ball clubs with losing records. Usually, the more knowledgable the coach, the better won-loss record. Nothing personal, but you probably wouldn't like me doing one of your games(judging from your viewpoint in your previous posts).:argue: It doesn't mean you're a bad guy, just means we have a different view on what is acceptable. I guess we can agree to disagree.

The good "blues" do....the first time. Then, I refer you to my earlier post. Geniune inquiries are met with geniune explanations. My experience has been that the better coaches already know the rules. However, at least in my case, I do not suffer ignorance gladly. For example, this year alone:

 

1.The hands are part of the bat.

2. You should warn a pitcher before you call a balk.

3. He's out....he didn't slide

4. That's not inference, he was in the box.

 

Inquiries like this are not subject to long explanations from me. These coaches should have known better. And, I might add, they were all from ball clubs with losing records. Usually, the more knowledgable the coach, the better won-loss record. Nothing personal, but you probably wouldn't like me doing one of your games(judging from your viewpoint in your previous posts).:argue: It doesn't mean you're a bad guy, just means we have a different view on what is acceptable. I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

Like I said (twice now ) good umps are less wordy and do not require a soap box like you do.

Like I said (twice now ) good umps are less wordy and do not require a soap box like you do.

 

The same can be said for good coaches...:sleep:

 

 

:laugh: What do you mean probably? One of my biggest peeves is coaches who do not know the rules (or coaches who try to test your knowledge of them). Either of these types are on a very short leash after they initiate a discussion with me during a game.:irked:

 

 

AMEN BROTHER!!! :laugh:

 

And as for a coach coming out and questioning my calls, I'll be more than happy to expalin to him my call, and if I feel I need it, ask for assistance, providing that he comes out calmly and quietly asks me about it. I'll even discuss balls and strikes with him for a minute or two. But if a coach wants to come out on the field and act like a complete fool and start to get in my face, well he'll have a very long walk, RIGHT BACK TO THE BUS/CAR!!!

 

As an umpire myself, I had to read over the situation a couple of times to get the full understanding of it. The run scores. When the fly ball is caught, that's out number two. The runner at Third tags and scores BEFORE the runner at first is doubled up. Since it wasn't a force out, the run counts when it's scored before out number 3.

AMEN BROTHER!!! :laugh:

 

And as for a coach coming out and questioning my calls, I'll be more than happy to expalin to him my call, and if I feel I need it, ask for assistance, providing that he comes out calmly and quietly asks me about it. I'll even discuss balls and strikes with him for a minute or two. But if a coach wants to come out on the field and act like a complete fool and start to get in my face, well he'll have a very long walk, RIGHT BACK TO THE BUS/CAR!!!

 

As an umpire myself, I had to read over the situation a couple of times to get the full understanding of it. The run scores. When the fly ball is caught, that's out number two. The runner at Third tags and scores BEFORE the runner at first is doubled up. Since it wasn't a force out, the run counts when it's scored before out number 3.

 

So it would be the same if the runner on first went on to second and an appeal was made on that runner for the 3rd out for leaving 1st too soon? In that scenario the run still counts? I think I have seen that called the other way, but maybe not.

So it would be the same if the runner on first went on to second and an appeal was made on that runner for the 3rd out for leaving 1st too soon? In that scenario the run still counts? I think I have seen that called the other way, but maybe not.

 

The run would count on an appeal play.The only time a run would not count on an appeal play is if the appeal was on a runner who preceded the runner who scored.