And, I might add, they were all from ball clubs with losing records. Usually, the more knowledgable the coach, the better won-loss record.

 

 

You had my complete agreement until you made this statement. All this shows is a pure bias. I really doubt that is what you intended and I hope you really don't view all teams with "losing" records in this manner. If so, then shame on you.

You had my complete agreement until you made this statement. All this shows is a pure bias. I really doubt that is what you intended and I hope you really don't view all teams with "losing" records in this manner. If so, then shame on you.

 

BD 77,

You are correct...I should have explained further. I have seen a number of ballclubs with losing records that are well coached with rules knowledgable coaches. Level of competition and team inexperience can lead to a losing record. The point I was trying to make was, when a team has a coach that does not know the rules well (not ALL, but most), usually IMO they underachieved. And,IMO,the lack of rules knowledge went hand-in-hand with a lack of baseball knowledge. I did not mean to slight anyone. It has just been my experience over the years I have been umpiring that coaches that argued some of the viewpoints I have mentioned in the previous posts (hands part of the bat,etc.), were not the coaches from the better programs. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just can't recall any at the moment.

 

 

:laugh: What do you mean probably? One of my biggest peeves is coaches who do not know the rules (or coaches who try to test your knowledge of them). Either of these types are on a very short leash after they initiate a discussion with me during a game.:irked:

 

Hey, KYDEFUMP... :sssh: :sssh: lets play the quite game.... remember that from when you were a kid..... and please realize when you have dug yourself too deep. You are making the rest of the umps look bad.

Hey, KYDEFUMP... :sssh: :sssh: lets play the quite game.... remember that from when you were a kid..... and please realize when you have dug yourself too deep. You are making the rest of the umps look bad.

 

Yeah, "coach", I guess you guys can't stand not having the last word on something. (BTW, I think you meant to spell "quiet", not quite). Was old blue right on that one?

Alrighty, the question stated that IF the runner at first does not go back and tag up does the run count.

 

The answer is NO. The fielders would throw the ball to first for the FORCE out therefore nulifying the run that had crossed the plate previous to the runner at third scoring.

Alrighty, the question stated that IF the runner at first does not go back and tag up does the run count.

 

The answer is NO. The fielders would throw the ball to first for the FORCE out therefore nulifying the run that had crossed the plate previous to the runner at third scoring.

 

Statman, that would be incorrect. There is no forceout in this situation. The runner was on first base already. The caught fly ball negates the force as the runner is not "forced" to the next base.

 

Run counts. Appeal results in 3rd out. Inning over.

Alrighty, the question stated that IF the runner at first does not go back and tag up does the run count.

 

The answer is NO. The fielders would throw the ball to first for the FORCE out therefore nulifying the run that had crossed the plate previous to the runner at third scoring.

 

Statman, the easiest way to describe the rule is that a force out only applies to being forced to the next base. It is not considered a force out when you are forced to retreat back to a bag. It would be easy to think so because he is being forced to go back and tag up, but for the purpose of the rule, and the run scoring or not, this is not considered a force out. Run scores !!!

I shall stand corrected then. Sorry about that folks.

Statman, if it makes you feel better, I thought what you did. (I had no idea my simple question would result in two pages of replies). I don't umpire, but love baseball, and I am not completely ignorant of the rules, but if this ever comes up again, I will surely know te proper call!

Question reagrding a ruling. Man on 1st, 0 outs. If a batter bunts a ball down the first base line and runs down the line. Then stops and takes a step or two backwards towards home in order to avoid a tag what happens??? Is the runner immediately called out and the play deemed dead? This happened in the Ryle, NCC game just a few hours ago and has me very intrigued. I tried to find an exact ruling and was not able to.

Question reagrding a ruling. Man on 1st, 0 outs. If a batter bunts a ball down the first base line and runs down the line. Then stops and takes a step or two backwards towards home in order to avoid a tag what happens??? Is the runner immediately called out and the play deemed dead? This happened in the Ryle, NCC game just a few hours ago and has me very intrigued. I tried to find an exact ruling and was not able to.

 

See the thread about that game. It has 15 or twenty different opinions before KYFEDUMP qoutes the rule book to prove there is nothing wrong with what the runner did.

How about this, bases are loaded and the infield is in on the grass, a batted ball hits the runner going to third, is the runner out?

How about this, bases are loaded and the infield is in on the grass, a batted ball hits the runner going to third, is the runner out?

 

Assuming that the ball went past the third baseman because he was playing "in", then the runner is not out.

Assuming that the ball went past the third baseman because he was playing "in", then the runner is not out.

 

CSHS81, you are right....providing that, in the umpire's judgement, no other fielder (other than the pitcher) had a play on the ball. This might pop up on a ball hit in the hole with the third baseman in, and the shortstop deep and playing the batter (right handed) to pull. In this case, the runner would still be out if the umpire was convinced the SS still had a potential play on the ball.

CSHS81, you are right....providing that, in the umpire's judgement, no other fielder (other than the pitcher) had a play on the ball. This might pop up on a ball hit in the hole with the third baseman in, and the shortstop deep and playing the batter (right handed) to pull. In this case, the runner would still be out if the umpire was convinced the SS still had a potential play on the ball.

 

KYFED - you beat me to it. I was just coming back to this to post that specific example.