April 1, 201511 yr Author I am going to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I have someone close to me who screwed up, got caught, 1st time offender - got sent straight to jail. Do not pass go; do not collect $200. Now he is a 21 year old felon who has to pay for that 1 mistake for the rest of his life.I have a close friend in a very similar situation. He did something real dumb while he was 17 and got tried as an adult mainly because he wouldn't rat out the other people with him. He got shock probated right at the two year mark but has lived with that felony forever. He has tried numerous appeals but has so far only gotten his voting rights restored. He is now 32 and recently became a father --- because of that one mistake he has had the felon label for all of his adult life...
April 1, 201511 yr I have a friend in a very similar situation. He did something real dumb while he was 17 and got tried as an adult mainly because he wouldn't rat out the other people with him. He got shock probated right at the two year mark but has lived with that felony forever. He has tried numerous appeals but has so far only gotten his voting rights restored. He is now 32 and recently became a father --- because of that one mistake he has had the felon label for all of his adult life... Exact same situation. My guy wouldn't rat out where he bought the drugs he had on him so they pinned him with trafficking. Just a stupid decision - bought pain pills for his bad back instead of going to the doctor and getting them legally. No previous record. Never been in trouble. Not a methhead or heroin addict; just a kid with constant pain in his back looking for relief.
April 1, 201511 yr For all of you all that are opposed to drug laws where do you stand on the laws that make it quite a chore (and more expensive) for law abiding people with allergies to get OTC remedies in the name of fighting meth? I have't noticed that doing a whole lot of good. They're a pain. Probably (without researching it) have resulted in more people turning to readily available street drugs.
April 1, 201511 yr I have a close friend in a very similar situation. He did something real dumb while he was 17 and got tried as an adult mainly because he wouldn't rat out the other people with him. He got shock probated right at the two year mark but has lived with that felony forever. He has tried numerous appeals but has so far only gotten his voting rights restored. He is now 32 and recently became a father --- because of that one mistake he has had the felon label for all of his adult life... Respectfully, if he was tried as an adult at 17 in Kentucky, it was a bit more than not ratting others out. I've personally witnessed B felonies kept in juvenile court on much more serious charges.
April 1, 201511 yr Author Respectfully, if he was tried as an adult at 17 in Kentucky, it was a bit more than not ratting others out. I've personally witnessed B felonies kept in juvenile court on much more serious charges....and every court is different as is every judge. Two years later a different judge saw fit to grant shock probation and leniency.
April 1, 201511 yr ...and every court is different as is every judge. Two years later a different judge saw fit to grant shock probation and leniency. Most judges will grant shock after that amount of time on non-violent crimes.
April 1, 201511 yr Honestly, no. I'm against the war on drugs. But to say the drug dealer has no responsibility is silly. He or she knowingly broke the law. I'm for not making it against the law. Just don't know how I feel about pardoning people who broke the law knowing there would be consequences.
April 1, 201511 yr Maybe I misunderstood your question. With the current laws, does the trafficker have responsibility in the selling of the drugs? Absolutely. I was under the impression you were asking if the trafficker bears any responsibility if a user dies from an overdose of the drugs. To me, the answer to that is no. OK now you clarified it better. Your point would also depend on if the dealer sold a hot dose.
April 1, 201511 yr Saw a story that Meth Labs in Kentucky have decreased significantly since the new rules were put in place (that required an AD) several years ago. The shame is that the Pharmaceutical Companies could make the same allergy medicine in a way that doesn't lend itself to be used for meth manufacturing but choose not to due to the slightly higher price per pill. All of the top states for Meth are right here in our backyard. 1. Indiana 2. Tennessee 3. Missouri 4. Ohio 5. Illinois 6. Michigan 7. North Carolina 8. Kentucky 9. Oklahoma 10. South Carolina
April 1, 201511 yr For the record I come off as a jerk when it comes to drugs I know. But I also put much more blame on the user. I don't have as much sympathy as most people. Drug abusers to me is the perfect form of Social Darwinism. Legalize them all and let the morons kill themselves. I got no time for excuses.
April 1, 201511 yr Until people stop associating as beer equal to heroin/coke/meth and bartenders to actual drug dealers, then this discussion could never go anywhere.
April 1, 201511 yr For all of you all that are opposed to drug laws where do you stand on the laws that make it quite a chore (and more expensive) for law abiding people with allergies to get OTC remedies in the name of fighting meth? I have't noticed that doing a whole lot of good. Actually thanks to KY's attempt at cracking down on prescription drug abuse there is less of a meth problem than there was. Now that people can't get legal opiates they are getting heroin which has led to a dramatic increase in the trafficking of heroin in KY. As such with heroin more plentiful, cheaper, and less likely to explode than meth you are seeing a dramatic drop in Meth in KY. Just throwing that out there.
April 1, 201511 yr Actually thanks to KY's attempt at cracking down on prescription drug abuse there is less of a meth problem than there was. Now that people can't get legal opiates they are getting heroin which has led to a dramatic increase in the trafficking of heroin in KY. As such with heroin more plentiful, cheaper, and less likely to explode than meth you are seeing a dramatic drop in Meth in KY. Just throwing that out there. You are correct. Heroin has exploded in Kentucky due to the crackdown on Meth. It's cheaper, easier to obtain and, unfortunately, more dangerous. On a positive note for the heroin users, EMS services with paramedics carry the antidote for opiate overdoses on their rigs. It will reverse the affects of the opiate. I've used it on overdoses before, it works very well.
April 2, 201511 yr You are correct. Heroin has exploded in Kentucky due to the crackdown on Meth. It's cheaper, easier to obtain and, unfortunately, more dangerous. On a positive note for the heroin users, EMS services with paramedics carry the antidote for opiate overdoses on their rigs. It will reverse the affects of the opiate. I've used it on overdoses before, it works very well. It has had less to do with the crackdown on meth and more to do with making KASPER reporting mandatory.
April 2, 201511 yr It has had less to do with the crackdown on meth and more to do with making KASPER reporting mandatory. That was an attempt to assist in the crackdown. Helped with Meth and Rx meds.
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