Without court anyone could claim they were wronged and get paid. Who, without court, would determine the validity of the claims??

 

Every city and county that I know of has insurance. There are plenty of cases where the police just flat out raid the wrong place. Those victims should not have to go to court to get reimbursed for property damage. When the police bungle a raid they should turn in a claim just like we would if we backed into someone's car.

 

Every city and county that I know of has insurance. There are plenty of cases where the police just flat out raid the wrong place. Those victims should not have to go to court to get reimbursed for property damage. When the police bungle a raid they should turn in a claim just like we would if we backed into someone's car.

 

So when police are accused who determines the validity of the claim? An insurance company?

Without court anyone could claim they were wronged and get paid. Who, without court, would determine the validity of the claims??

 

Ever hear of a claim agent? A citizen should not have to hire a lawyer and give them part of their settlement when the police bungle a raid. If the claim agent doesn't see a basis for their claim then deny it and let it go to court. In most cases the police pay for nothing without being sued. That's not the way it should work.

So when police are accused who determines the validity of the claim? An insurance company?

 

If the police department agrees that it raided the wrong house and caused damage, why should the wronged party have to go through the hassle of going to court? Offer to pay the bills and submit them to the insurance company. Now if the police disagree, then by all means make the case go to court.

 

Ever hear of a claim agent? A citizen should not have to hire a lawyer and give them part of their settlement when the police bungle a raid. If the claim agent doesn't see a basis for their claim then deny it and let it go to court. In most cases the police pay for nothing without being sued. That's not the way it should work.

 

Nope. Tell me more about these claim agents. Specifically the ones who are as educated as a judge or an attorney and know all necessary laws, and police policies.

 

If the police department agrees that it raided the wrong house and caused damage, why should the wronged party have to go through the hassle of going to court? Offer to pay the bills and submit them to the insurance company. Now if the police disagree, then by all means make the case go to court.

 

Most cases probably don't go to court but to say that they should all automatically go through an insurance agent is silly to me.

 

I don't think anyone who is completely innocent and nothing more than a victim of police negligence or incompetence should have to pay anything. However I also don't think the police are blatantly wrong every time someone says they are.

 

I also don't trust insurance agents with no background in the law should be responsible for judging police actions. I think that's best left for judges after attorneys present their case.

Nope. Tell me more about these claim agents. Specifically the ones who are as educated as a judge or an attorney and know all necessary laws, and police policies.

 

If they are a claim agent representing the insurance company for a police agency you can bet that they ate well aware of the policies. It is more often the officers or departments themselves that do not provide the victims with the proper information. Here's a good example: The police broke my house by mistake, wouldn't pay to fix - Greater Greater Washington

Most cases probably don't go to court but to say that they should all automatically go through an insurance agent is silly to me.

 

I don't think anyone who is completely innocent and nothing more than a victim of police negligence or incompetence should have to pay anything. However I also don't think the police are blatantly wrong every time someone says they are.

 

I also don't trust insurance agents with no background in the law should be responsible for judging police actions. I think that's best left for judges after attorneys present their case.

 

Rockmom's friend's case (and most that are not challenged by police) would be pretty small in terms of dollars. Fixing the door would not cost much - probably under the deductible of the policy so the decision may not even go to the insurance company - police chief or city manager or mayor depending on how big the city. I would think for PR purposes, the city would want to settle pretty quickly. Now if RM's friend sues for emotional damages, now we are all going to court.

If they are a claim agent representing the insurance company for a police agency you can bet that they ate well aware of the policies. It is more often the officers or departments themselves that do not provide the victims with the proper information. Here's a good example: The police broke my house by mistake, wouldn't pay to fix - Greater Greater Washington

 

I figured you had one on standby.

 

I agree that giving them the run around is silly, and if the police AGREE that they were wrong (in this case they weren't wrong so much as they got bad information), the police should pay. The article you provided makes it seem like it was not just the police department at fault for giving them the run around, and in the end, the police department fixed the error.

 

I realize that innocent people are victims. I agree that they should get paid for any damages if they are victims. I agree that if the police admit they were wrong, they should pay as soon as possible.

Rockmom's friend's case (and most that are not challenged by police) would be pretty small in terms of dollars. Fixing the door would not cost much - probably under the deductible of the policy so the decision may not even go to the insurance company - police chief or city manager or mayor depending on how big the city. I would think for PR purposes, the city would want to settle pretty quickly. Now if RM's friend sues for emotional damages, now we are all going to court.

 

I'd have to know far more details than what RM has told us, but if they are truly victims and the police were negligent, they will get paid...or they should. I've never said otherwise.

I'd have to know far more details than what RM has told us, but if they are truly victims and the police were negligent, they will get paid...or they should. I've never said otherwise.

 

 

I guess I'll give you more if there is anything. But this seems to be it. Believe me, they're not criminals. And they're totally freaked out by the whole experience.

 

I guess I'll give you more if there is anything. But this seems to be it. Believe me, they're not criminals. And they're totally freaked out by the whole experience.

 

I don't need it...it has nothing to do with me.

 

I said if they are really victims they will probably and should get paid.

 

It sucks what happened to them, but I'd say it's pretty rare in the grand scheme of things.

I think where I'm most uncomfortable in all these various discussions, is that there seems to be "guilty until proven innocent" mindset amongst many...not just the law enforcement, but society as well.

 

If one is arrested, and later found not guilty of any crime, that arrest still stays on ones record and can be a detriment if trying to get some jobs/licenses in the future. I certainly wouldn't acquiece just to keep the police from killing me. Don't citizens have the right to at least have done something wrong before getting arrested?

 

The other day, my fiiend Katie in Washington State was at home in bed with her fiance. There was a loud banging on the door and the fiance jumped out of bed, grabbed a baseball bat and shouted "Who's there?!" At that point, the door was kicked in and several police came barreling in. They threw the fiance and Katie on floor, in their underwear, and proceeded to begin to handcuff them. Then, they led them outside and made them stand outside, IN THE COLD, IN THEIR UNDERWEAR, BAREFOOT while they searched their apartment and found nothing. Then, they concluded after about 45 minutes it was a case of mistaken identity and basically said, "oops, my bad". In all of the chaos, Katie's cats escaped the apartment and are still missing after a week.

 

Katie and Doug are pursuing legal action. And they're moving. And the police have given them no reason as to why they burst into their apartment, nor why they cuffed them and made them stand out in the cold with no clothes on while they figured out that they'd screwed up.

 

That's frighting...This type of policing is completely Un-American.

Edited December 9, 201411 yr by ADopted ADmiral

Poor effort by these 3 guys.

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/546098088167735296/photo/1

Poor effort by these 3 guys.

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/546098088167735296/photo/1

Pretty ignorant, actually. A pathetic attempt at humor in a situation that isn't funny in the least isn't going to help anything, only going to create more animosity and rightly so.