Maybe it feeds something primal in our nature. For the majority of hunters I know, I can tell you without any reservation that it has nothing to do with accolades or "fame" among other hunters.

 

Thank you. This is mostly what I've been getting at or at least trying to get and understand from the get go, and if perhaps some of us have something primal in our nature and perhaps some of us don't.

 

How much of it is natural within some, and how much is learned from tradition.

 

Whereas perhaps most woman are not inclined to hunt, could gay guys perhaps have the same gene within them that lines up more with woman for many (not all) to knee-jerkingly feel adverse to it.

 

I can't cover every variable here, so I hope everyone can assume all variables are intended.

 

Straight Men, Straight Woman, Gay Men, Lesbians, passive straight men, masculine gay men, masculine straight women, feminine lesbian women, feminine straight women, masculine lesbian women, partly feminine and masculine gay men, partly feminine and masculine straight men, partly feminine and masculine straight women, partly feminine and masculine lesbian women.

 

Did I cover every possibility?

 

Anyhoo, I'm just trying to figure what makes people tick with this topic and what makes others not, and I'm over the answer being that some like this, and others like that, because in this topic something "dies" and that's the centerpiece of my perplexion, and not that different people like apples and others like oranges.

Here's another thought. This is for the Christian bunch among us who are also deer hunters. From your Bible knowledge, I was just wondering if Jesus was so inclined to aim and shoot a deer or any other animal, and get a big rush of excitement out of it? You might have a better understanding of that than I do.

 

He was a fisherman....who would catch nets full of fish and let them smother and drown before he ate them.

Do you think the thrill is just "Blood Lust" or just possibly the thrill is of the accomplishment. Hunting and taking game of just about any kind is challenging, some more than others.

 

I don't know one hunter that doesn't either take the meat themselves or give it to someone that can use it.

 

I would agree 100% if Hunters were just shooting deer and leaving them in the field...but that just doesn't happen.

 

Some here have commented about it being the thrill of the accomplishment since it takes practice.

 

I know that it's an extreme case and a rarity, but a sewage and sanitation worker in Covington told me how they had to remove a deer from the sewers because someone had dumped it there, but I trust what you're saying that most hunters are more responsible that that.

When I was a kid, I hunted, trapped and fished. It taught me responsibility. I learned to respect my weapon and learn gun safety. I never killed anything that I didn't clean and eat or have eaten, and I got out of bed hours before going to school to trace my trap lines, and then if I caught anything, returned home from school and promptly skinned and hung my kill on stretch boards. At the end of the season, a trip to Samuel Wells and Company at the foot of the Central Bridge in Cincinnati, would result in a few bucks (not nearly worth my time and effort) in my pocket.

 

When I returned home from the army (had nothing to do with my serving in the army) I simply lost interest in hunting, but remained an avid fisherman, which I remain today. While hunting and killing wildlife is not for everyone, I realize that those animals killed, particularly deer, have fulfilled their destiny, and the reason they were put here (stocked originally). Maimed and injured animals are the downside of the sport, and unfortunately in hunting you can't throw them back.

 

While I watched the film footage, I realize that this young man is proud and overwhelmed that he has accomplished what is in his mind is a major achievement and has made his daddy proud of him. As he grows older and begins to make his own decisions, he will either continue to thrive in this environment, and pass it on to his own sons, and continue to seek bigger and more challeging prey, or he will overcome his upbringing and young life's influences and seek other outlets to harness his competitive instincts. Maybe like I did - attempting to hit exactas, trifecta, Pick 3s 4s and 6s at the track.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed...I think if I read that correctly then you are not a vegetarian. So while you make sarcastic remarks about people killing animals to eat, you'd just rather have someone else kill the meat that you eat for you.

 

But do I understand you when you say that external factors made you eat meat?

 

FWIW I don't hunt...I do fish for sport but throw back what I catch, most of the time. The reason I don't hunt isn't because I think it's wrong, it's just not my thing. Even though I would shoot everyday if I could afford to.

 

Ooops Sorry... I completely forgot to address this question.

 

Yes, external factors made me eat meat. Never wanted it as a small child and it was ultimately fast food advertising using clowns like Ronald McDonald, or Big Boy, or Big Chef & Jeff to draw me in to want to experience all the "fun". Through that my distaste for meat lessoned and I got used to it little by little in stages, but still I never ate a real steak other than chopped steak from Bonanza (because it was like hamburger) until I was maybe 20, and I never ate chicken or turkey until I was maybe 15. Even still today although I might eat steak once in a blue moon, my insides don't react well to it. If I have a small portion I can get away with it, but a regular sized portion gives me trouble. I typically have pork or chicken more than anything else and hamburger once in awhile when eating meat, but I might have at least one meal a day that doesn't include meat at all. I can eat fish but typically only if it's breaded and deep friend. For the most part it grosses me out. Probably no more that twice a year I'll have tuna. I never had too much problem with eggs but they have to be cooked and not runny. I did eat bacon as a kid because if fried up krispy, it seemed more like a snack to me than anything else. I could eat ham only if it was sliced thin when I was younger, and I developed a taste for goetta by at least 13 or so. I typically never had any trouble with hard boiled eggs and liked egg salad made with mayo and mustard on toast. It was a process all my childhood that lasted quite a while before I had opened myself up to way more than I once had, but if you look in my freezer you will never find any hunks of meat stacked in there and if there is it's in a microwavable frozen dinner.

 

I even had trouble with almost all vegetables too until little by little I was able to deal with most of them, but that too was year by year process. I never even tried broccoli until I was about 18. I came to enjoy vegetables very much but it took a while. I never had trouble with breads, nuts, or fruits, but it took me awhile to warm up to beans. Dairy and cheeses I was mostly fine with but that milk better not be the least bit sour. I don't even buy milk anymore as to me it's just getting sour every second that it's in my fridge. About 15 years ago I switched to soy milk which I can be confident about even if it sits in the fridge a whole month.

 

Although I had challenges growing up with all kinds of foods, in general now I can just about handle anything with much fewer exceptions than years ago.

He was a fisherman....who would catch nets full of fish and let them smother and drown before he ate them.

 

Told Peter to Rise, Kill, and Eat. But I digress,,,,

I would rather be a deer who is killed humanely in the woods than a cow going through the process line at a slaughterhouse.

How is it that everyone keeps missing that my point of topic is not about eating meat, but the tradition of having a thrill with killing stuff?

 

So it's ok to kill and eat animals as long as no thrill/excitement derives from it? We can hang cows upside down and cut their throats all day to get a steak so long as no one cracks a smile from hunting.

 

To be honest I have no idea what your point is. You type novels for posts and the one I actually took the time to read had your opinions stated as if they were facts.

 

Humans need protein, protein comes from meat.

So it's ok to kill and eat animals as long as no thrill/excitement derives from it? We can hang cows upside down and cut their throats all day to get a steak so long as no one cracks a smile from hunting.

 

To be honest I have no idea what your point is. You type novels for posts and the one I actually took the time to read had your opinions stated as if they were facts.

 

Humans need protein, protein comes from meat.

 

The thought of that doesn't exactly thrill me either. I eat meat as being a product of being tuned to and not so much that I salivated for it. It was trained into me. I don't have any major campaigns against it, nor do I to hunters. I'd never be waving a flag in a parade in opposition towards it.

 

I don't know too much of what I've tried to present here as "facts" except for a post breaking down theories of the evolution of humans being either omnivores etc... which I have no conclusive understanding of just exactly what we are and neither does science exactly.

 

As far as surviving without meat, we indeed can as protein can be found in non-meat foods, but I'm not suggesting that the world turn into vegetarians. I don't care what anyone eats.

 

I don't know either if I have a point, as a confirmed point is not exactly what I was aiming for. After getting over my initial sarcastic remarks in my first few posts, it's been mostly a question here that I've been posing and good God be damned that I did. Don't anyone dare question a hunter as to what's their motivating factors are, or indicate that you're not attracted to it. Don't anyone dare try to analyze human behavior for the sake a better understanding. Let's all just be mindless reactive organisms that never expand on any understanding of our own human behavior.

 

That might be fine for the majority of civilization, but I've been pondering human behavior since and far back as I can remember, and somehow that's just down deep apart of who I am, and all the while it's been apparent to me that the majority of the world around me does not to any deeper level, and are quite often just existing behaving organisms void of any or much awareness that they too are as worth studying as lab mice would be.

 

Behavior is plain to see in front of us daily, but don't ever dare examine from a scientific analytical standpoint.

 

What my involvement with this topic boils down to is wondering what are the factors that make some so inclined to be excited by the sport of hunting while others can have a complete opposite reaction to the idea of it? For hunters is it primal, learned or a certain amount or both? For those adverse, is it naturally in them to have a gut adversity towards if, or is that learned or both?

 

Being myself gay, and hearing a similar reaction from other gay men I've known in my life towards an adversity to hunting, and that they couldn't bring themselves to kill anything, while even some I've known to be solidly raised in families that made a tradition of it had me wondering if there's some (in general) internal difference in the makeup of heterosexual men towards a more primal affinity towards hunting while perhaps that primal affinity might not exist in many homosexual men, and especially those gay men who were very clear at an early age that they were gay, and not necessarily gay men in later in their lives perhaps became that way through experience and life conditioning.

 

There's most definitely a sharp different reaction from different people when viewing that video and reading the comments on youtube. Some think it's wonderful and the comments all applaud the kid and go on to think it's one of the greatest things they've ever witnessed.

 

Some shake their heads in disbelief that there are those that have that reaction and can't in any way see it within themselves to come anywhere near feeling that way about it, and it disturbs them greatly.

 

Using a comparison of opposite reactions that's off topic to a degree, but not exactly is you have millions of gay men that know they are without ever choosing to be, so no matter how much they fight it to fit into the majority they can't but have a self-understading about it and ultimately just want to live as who they are, while you have others who can't fathom the idea and think it's downright disgusting that anyone would be that way and won't budge to understand that it's just within their nature.

 

Well, I'm wondering from the standpoint that of not having any primal desire to hunt and a knee-jerk adversity towards it, if those who do hunt actually have a primal desire to hunt or if it's a learned behavior or a combination of both?

 

Damn me for having this basic question regarding human behavior.

 

I realize that my first gut reaction comments served no great contribution to a civilized discussion in this matter, but judging by the reaction I got when I began to put aside my sarcasm for the sake of posing questions in a more serious fashion, I still get the idea that just asking and analyzing it is not at all advisable here. Even just pondering gets folks aroused.

 

That too sounds like an interesting thing to analyze about human behavior, but I'll guess that I'm the only one who might think so.

I don't think I am gay, but I do not like hunting either. Whether I like it or not, I concede that there are people who enjoy it, and they do it responsibly, and by doing it legally actually support health and protection of some wildlife, so some good comes of it.

 

I DO get the thrill of preparing, and going to the woods, and hiking out, and entertaining the hunt...I think that is innate in a predatory species which we are. However, I vent the instinct with a good picture or a good memory rather than "more tangible proof".

 

As an aside, I am trying to convince my cat to stop killing birds and bringing them in the garage, but the carnage continues....she has lost two bell collars, I moved the bird feeder...she's not hungry. There must be some kind of cat-recognized trophy antlers on sparrows.

I don't think I am gay, but I do not like hunting either. Whether I like it or not, I concede that there are people who enjoy it, and they do it responsibly, and by doing it legally actually support health and protection of some wildlife, so some good comes of it.

 

I DO get the thrill of preparing, and going to the woods, and hiking out, and entertaining the hunt...I think that is innate in a predatory species which we are. However, I vent the instinct with a good picture or a good memory rather than "more tangible proof".

 

As an aside, I am trying to convince my cat to stop killing birds and bringing them in the garage, but the carnage continues....she has lost two bell collars, I moved the bird feeder...she's not hungry. There must be some kind of cat-recognized trophy antlers on sparrows.

 

There are things about my reactive behavior that I don't dig which mostly relate to my knee-jerk reaction to speak sarcastically before I think, and then when I step back, the more rational side of me might sometimes appear.

 

I detect from you a more stable balanced approach, and I dig it and wish I was more that way.

 

I feel as though you've got the "peace of mind" thing figured out pretty well, and something that I could aspire to before my time here on the planet is up.

 

Thank you for displaying an example that I'd be more inclined to want to follow.

There are things about my reactive behavior that I don't dig which mostly relate to my knee-jerk reaction to speak sarcastically before I think, and then when I step back, the more rational side of me might sometimes appear.

 

I detect from you a more stable balanced approach, and I dig it and wish I was more that way.

 

I feel as though you've got the "peace of mind" thing figured out pretty well, and something that I could aspire to before my time here on the planet is up.

 

Thank you for displaying an example that I'd be more inclined to want to follow.

 

I am fortunate enough to know and trust friends including people on BGP who are hunters, and who I know do it responsibly, humanely and give back to wildlife protection and development. If that were not the case it would be more difficult for me.

The thought of that doesn't exactly thrill me either. I eat meat as being a product of being tuned to and not so much that I salivated for it. It was trained into me. I don't have any major campaigns against it, nor do I to hunters. I'd never be waving a flag in a parade in opposition towards it.

 

I don't know too much of what I've tried to present here as "facts" except for a post breaking down theories of the evolution of humans being either omnivores etc... which I have no conclusive understanding of just exactly what we are and neither does science exactly.

 

As far as surviving without meat, we indeed can as protein can be found in non-meat foods, but I'm not suggesting that the world turn into vegetarians. I don't care what anyone eats.

 

I don't know either if I have a point, as a confirmed point is not exactly what I was aiming for. After getting over my initial sarcastic remarks in my first few posts, it's been mostly a question here that I've been posing and good God be damned that I did. Don't anyone dare question a hunter as to what's their motivating factors are, or indicate that you're not attracted to it. Don't anyone dare try to analyze human behavior for the sake a better understanding. Let's all just be mindless reactive organisms that never expand on any understanding of our own human behavior.

 

That might be fine for the majority of civilization, but I've been pondering human behavior since and far back as I can remember, and somehow that's just down deep apart of who I am, and all the while it's been apparent to me that the majority of the world around me does not to any deeper level, and are quite often just existing behaving organisms void of any or much awareness that they too are as worth studying as lab mice would be.

 

Behavior is plain to see in front of us daily, but don't ever dare examine from a scientific analytical standpoint.

 

What my involvement with this topic boils down to is wondering what are the factors that make some so inclined to be excited by the sport of hunting while others can have a complete opposite reaction to the idea of it? For hunters is it primal, learned or a certain amount or both? For those adverse, is it naturally in them to have a gut adversity towards if, or is that learned or both?

 

Being myself gay, and hearing a similar reaction from other gay men I've known in my life towards an adversity to hunting, and that they couldn't bring themselves to kill anything, while even some I've known to be solidly raised in families that made a tradition of it had me wondering if there's some (in general) internal difference in the makeup of heterosexual men towards a more primal affinity towards hunting while perhaps that primal affinity might not exist in many homosexual men, and especially those gay men who were very clear at an early age that they were gay, and not necessarily gay men in later in their lives perhaps became that way through experience and life conditioning.

 

There's most definitely a sharp different reaction from different people when viewing that video and reading the comments on youtube. Some think it's wonderful and the comments all applaud the kid and go on to think it's one of the greatest things they've ever witnessed.

 

Some shake their heads in disbelief that there are those that have that reaction and can't in any way see it within themselves to come anywhere near feeling that way about it, and it disturbs them greatly.

 

Using a comparison of opposite reactions that's off topic to a degree, but not exactly is you have millions of gay men that know they are without ever choosing to be, so no matter how much they fight it to fit into the majority they can't but have a self-understading about it and ultimately just want to live as who they are, while you have others who can't fathom the idea and think it's downright disgusting that anyone would be that way and won't budge to understand that it's just within their nature.

 

Well, I'm wondering from the standpoint that of not having any primal desire to hunt and a knee-jerk adversity towards it, if those who do hunt actually have a primal desire to hunt or if it's a learned behavior or a combination of both?

 

Damn me for having this basic question regarding human behavior.

 

I realize that my first gut reaction comments served no great contribution to a civilized discussion in this matter, but judging by the reaction I got when I began to put aside my sarcasm for the sake of posing questions in a more serious fashion, I still get the idea that just asking and analyzing it is not at all advisable here. Even just pondering gets folks aroused.

 

That too sounds like an interesting thing to analyze about human behavior, but I'll guess that I'm the only one who might think so.

 

I don't think there is a primal desire to do much of anything any more with humans, other than breeding . I didn't hunt anything more then dove until I was 18. I had friends that deer hunted so I tried it with them and was hooked from the start. It wasn't something that called to me or something I just had to do. I tried it one day and loved it. Same with golf or building something or working out or whatever you enjoy doing.

 

And to be honest, you really didn't put your sarcasm aside. You continued to answer questions by posting your previous sarcastic comments. And to be honest it really didn't come off as sarcasm as much as just being horses butt.

I don't think there is a primal desire to do much of anything any more with humans, other than breeding . I didn't hunt anything more then dove until I was 18. I had friends that deer hunted so I tried it with them and was hooked from the start. It wasn't something that called to me or something I just had to do. I tried it one day and loved it. Same with golf or building something or working out or whatever you enjoy doing.

 

And to be honest, you really didn't put your sarcasm aside. You continued to answer questions by posting your previous sarcastic comments. And to be honest it really didn't come off as sarcasm as much as just being horses butt.

 

St. Doomer I pray for your help, and please forgive me if I fail.

 

Reactionary sarcasm... agreed and admitted, basic point to ponder... still in the forefront.

 

It's apparent that you've not the tendency towards sarcasm, and got that greatly in check.

 

As I had said in many other posts I'm not concerned here with the various hobbies that people enjoy as that's apparent, but this one specifically intrigues me considering "death" is part of the equation. I've begged that the "various enjoyment affinities" portion not keep penetrating the basic point at hand. It's not exactly in the same camp.

 

And I'll assume that you might be able to deduct that the primal desire to breed eludes me, which is actually something that for me has proved to be a blessing of sorts. I didn't understand as a child why I was this way, but now thank my God everyday that I am. Blessing in disguise for real.

 

If you've not the capacity to analyze any deeper, you're not obliged to. Sure you're always welcome to add your two cents whether or not it adds much worth to the discussion or not. I'm aware that not all humans are capable.

St. Doomer I pray for your help, and please forgive me if I fail.

 

Reactionary sarcasm... agreed and admitted, basic point to ponder... still in the forefront.

 

It's apparent that you've not the tendency towards sarcasm, and got that greatly in check.

 

As I had said in many other posts I'm not concerned here with the various hobbies that people enjoy as that's apparent, but this one specifically intrigues me considering "death" is part of the equation. I've begged that the "various enjoyment affinities" portion not keep penetrating the basic point at hand. It's not exactly in the same camp.

 

And I'll assume that you might be able to deduct that the primal desire to breed eludes me, which is actually something that for me has proved to be a blessing of sorts. I didn't understand as a child why I was this way, but now thank my God everyday that I am. Blessing in disguise for real.

 

If you've not the capacity to analyze any deeper, you're not obliged to. Sure you're always welcome to add your two cents whether or not it adds much worth to the discussion or not. I'm aware that not all humans are capable.

 

I am not sure Woodsrider would limit the "breeding" only to propogation but rather satisfying the primal urge, so to speak. Otherwise, in the true good cop, bad cop scenario, you are playing the bad cop, so I get to play the good cop. Hunting is kind of like a political or religious discussion...I just have to agree to disagree with some and respect the rights for all of us to have different opinion. As far as death, people, I have learned, value lives differently. Most of us value human life above all other, but then the waters get murky as to how we/they place other animals in the pecking order. There are those who believe the environment, air, water, animals (or combinations thereof) is theirs to do as they please, and there are those who believe man was granted this status intended as a steward and caretaker of these things. I believe a responsible hunter can justifiably fall into the latter although it is not something I care to do. I do eat meat, which often creates conflict within my own mind. I am careful as much as I can be to only buy from reputable and humane suppliers. I also take care to respect the animal (s) that I may consume and don't treat the meat and carcasses like so much scrap paper to toss into the refuse pile. Just my survival mechanism. At the end of this, I will fully state, I do not respect trophy hunting.