You can be denied a bank account, carpet cleaner, cell phone, etc without a photo ID. You can't be denied a fundamental constitutional right without it being free and obtainable by everyone. Otherwise it becomes a de facto poll tax.

 

Interesting take.

And it can easily be done so that those without id (an incredibly small fraction of people) can obtain a free one.

 

I'd be fine with that.

I have never understood the argument of, "there is not rampant fraud now so we do not need it."

 

Let's quit skirting around the issue. Democrats: Do not want it because their constituency is more apt to having folks without an id. Republicans: Want it because it may prohibit those same people from voting.

 

Both sides know some kind of identification should be shown and I think most people agree with that. People always tout how it is the most sacred right we have in this country so let us do our best to be proactive and protect that right.

 

The crux of the matter. It's not by coincidence that virtually ALL of the recent "more restrictive" voter ID laws have been enacted in Republican-controlled states.

And it can easily be done so that those without id (an incredibly small fraction of people) can obtain a free one.

 

So 11 percent/21 million is incredibly small? Or are those numbers cooked?

The crux of the matter. It's not by coincidence that virtually ALL of the recent "more restrictive" voter ID laws have been enacted in Republican-controlled states.

 

Of course it is the reason. But I do think the Republicans have a lot more valid of an argument than the Democrats in this one.

Of course it is the reason. But I do think the Republicans have a lot more valid of an argument than the Democrats in this one.

 

Well, I'm a Democrat (gasp!), so I call shenanigans.:lol2:

Of course it is the reason. But I do think the Republicans have a lot more valid of an argument than the Democrats in this one.

 

Funny, like mcpapa I feel just the opposite.

So 11 percent/21 million is incredibly small? Or are those numbers cooked?

 

That is a listed number of people without a government issued id, correct? Not registered people to vote without an id. I am more interested in that number. When you register to vote, you can be issued an id. Problem solved and easy to capture. If it costs $1 a person or $5 a person, that seems like a small price for Uncle Sam to cough up to protect our most sacred right.

Well, I'm a Democrat (gasp!), so I call shenanigans.:lol2:

 

Funny, like mcpapa I feel just the opposite.

 

Both sides have validity, but I think you take a general poll of folks and ask them, "should you have to show an id to vote?", put aside the political talking-points, I think the resounding answer would be "yes."

And it can easily be done so that those without id (an incredibly small fraction of people) can obtain a free one.

 

I would like to know the percentage of the voting population who currently don't have an id. I believe it would not be too difficult or expensive to get the rest an id. Shoot, why not do it at the polling place? Verify their documents, shoot their picture, let them vote and mail them an id so they have it for future elections.

So 11 percent/21 million is incredibly small? Or are those numbers cooked?

 

My first question is, how do they know the number?

They were taking credit cards as ID today at the polling place. Its not a huge hurdle to show you are who it says on the dotted line. If you have no ID of any type then you are either a fraud or have such little participation with society that it would seem you exist only to help a political entity every two years. The anti-ID arguments are very shallow.

 

With Chicago tactics being replicated across the country voting integrity is fading quickly.

You can be denied a bank account, carpet cleaner, cell phone, etc without a photo ID. You can't be denied a fundamental constitutional right without it being free and obtainable by everyone. Otherwise it becomes a de facto poll tax.

 

If free insurance, phones, job training and other benefits can be given out on a daily basis, I'm pretty sure a one time ID for Free would not cripple our economy or the Government.

When my mother was alive, her right to vote was extremely important to her. When she became disabled, her license lapsed. I took care of her cellphone through my contract. The last decade of her life she voted by absentee ballot, as traveling anywhere was an ordeal for her. She kept up with current events and issues of the day. She was an informed voter.

 

Voting was the last thing in her life that she controlled. It brings tears to my eyes to think that she could have lost her ability to vote, as she didn't have an ID.

When my mother was alive, her right to vote was extremely important to her. When she became disabled, her license lapsed. I took care of her cellphone through my contract. The last decade of her life she voted by absentee ballot, as traveling anywhere was an ordeal for her. She kept up with current events and issues of the day. She was an informed voter.

 

Voting was the last thing in her life that she controlled. It brings tears to my eyes to think that she could have lost her ability to vote, as she didn't have an ID.

 

She could have received a State ID when her license expired. I agree there are some extreme circumstances but as a whole we not talking about people in that situation that don't have IDs.