Seriously, what is happening in here?

 

If we're interpreting the rules to exclude anyone who is not an eligible high school player, then if an assistant coach jumps on the floor to run drills with the kids, he is technically in violation of the rule.

 

That's why this provision doesn't mean what some of you think it does.

 

It reads confusing to me. I can see why questions would be asked.

I would have probably omitted the college kids coming in part of the article. No idea if by the letter of the law that it's a violation.

It's a legitimate question since the kid from CCH mentioned it first in a public article. If a team won the Sweet 16 and in the postgame interview the coach says that he is glad he was able to convince player X to transfer in to his program would you raise an eyebrow or would you say no big deal everybody does it?

 

That's the difference right there.....have you ever heard a coach say that..no....but you hear about this all the time. Not the same thing.

That's the difference right there.....have you ever heard a coach say that..no....but you hear about this all the time. Not the same thing.

 

 

It's the first I have ever heard of it but if it is standard operating procedure then I learned something new today. I'd encourage every team to practice with college players if everyone is doing it. Football, basketball, baseball. Bring in the college kids. It has results.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I think they are referring to Covington Catholic's coaches (paid and volunteer assistants). They have three guys on their bench that all have to be at least 6'5", so I'm assuming they played somewhere. The JV coach is about 6'5", they have the black assistant that I'm certain played in college, and then the big guy that I assume is Joe Frederick. If those guys are coaching up the bigs, isn't that their job?

 

I don't get the confusion?

I'd say its a fairly "gray" area. This part of the article "In practices leading up to the Ninth Region Tournament, the Covington Catholic High School basketball team sparred on the court with several coaches and volunteers who played college ball, mostly guys who were post players.That physical pounding helped the Colonels with the variety of skilled and athletic post players they took on in the regional, and was a big part of their ultimate victory.", makes it sound like something that would constitute a scrimmage.

Seriously, what is happening in here?

 

If we're interpreting the rules to exclude anyone who is not an eligible high school player, then if an assistant coach jumps on the floor to run drills with the kids, he is technically in violation of the rule.

 

That's why this provision doesn't mean what some of you think it does.

I don't think staff are referred to in that capacity. Staff is just that, staff. I don't think having staff work with kids is the crux of the issue. I do see a problem with bringing college players in to practice against. This isn't exactly the season for open gym.

First, let me say that this thread is a direct violation of BGP Rule #4, is it not?

 

4. No recruiting comments or allegations of KHSAA rules violations by any school, coach, player or booster are allowed. No comments about where any player lives, has lived, or where they are from in a recruiting context. This is not the place to report KHSAA violations. Feel free to contact http://www.khsaa.org to report such violations, but do not discuss violations here.

 

But, while we're on the topic, I'll address a few posts:

 

Bylaw 14

 

Sec.2) Practice of ineligible students.

Unless ineligible due to provisions in bylaw 15 (Sportsmanship, having been ejected from a contest), any student who is not eligible for competition during a teams next contest/meet/match/game shall not practice with the team

 

The rule specifically states "any student who is not eligible...shall not practice with the team." This thread does not allege that any ineligible students practiced with Covington Catholic. In fact, the article specifically states that the alleged practice players were college grads, not students.

 

This looks like the part that precedes Section 2 that is incriminating

Sec. 1) GRADUATES AND COLLEGE STUDENTS

Any student who has graduated from a secondary school, or who

has ever played on a college team, is thereafter ineligible to play

on a high school team.

 

 

None of the practice players played in a game with the high school team, so it doesn't seem like a violation of this bylaw to me.

 

This is all very strange that this arose at all and I don't see a problem, so I'll lay out my thinking.

 

Bylaws 14.1 and 14.2 both explicitly refer to "students" as the group to which those provisions apply. None of the people brought in to help with practice was a "student".

 

I tend to agree with your line of thinking.

 

It's a legitimate question since the kid from CCH mentioned it first in a public article. If a team won the Sweet 16 and in the postgame interview the coach says that he is glad he was able to convince player X to transfer in to his program would you raise an eyebrow or would you say no big deal everybody does it?

 

Are you comparing recruiting a kid to a school (the ultimate "no no" in HS sports) to having a couple college players show up to practice? I understand your point that both (in your opinion) are violations of the KHSAA bylaws, but I think they're vastly different. Maybe that's just me.

 

 

Let me add that I have no idea if this is a KHSAA violation or not. It's possible that it could be, but I don't think any of the bylaws cited in this thread make a very strong case against Covington Catholic. Again, just my opinion.

I'd say its a fairly "gray" area. This part of the article "In practices leading up to the Ninth Region Tournament, the Covington Catholic High School basketball team sparred on the court with several coaches and volunteers who played college ball, mostly guys who were post players.That physical pounding helped the Colonels with the variety of skilled and athletic post players they took on in the regional, and was a big part of their ultimate victory.", makes it sound like something that would constitute a scrimmage.

 

Wasn't it spring break for a lot of Kentucky colleges last week?

I do see a problem with bringing college players in to practice against. This isn't exactly the season for open gym.

Where does it say that happened? I agree, that would be a problem, but that isn't what the article says, and I'm certain that isn't happening. They wouldn't be stupid.

FWIW, there were no "volunteers" playing at CCH practices. Not sure where Enquirer got that from. They are strictly closed to players, coaches, managers, and trainers only.

Where does it say that happened? I agree, that would be a problem, but that isn't what the article says, and I'm certain that isn't happening. They wouldn't be stupid.

Again, from the article: In practices leading up to the Ninth Region Tournament, the Covington Catholic High School basketball team sparred on the court with several coaches and volunteers who played college ball, mostly guys who were post players.

 

Does that not read like college kids? Or am I just misunderstanding?

 

 

Are you comparing recruiting a kid to a school (the ultimate "no no" in HS sports) to having a couple college players show up to practice? I understand your point that both (in your opinion) are violations of the KHSAA bylaws, but I think they're vastly different. Maybe that's just me.

 

 

 

Of course not. Just using the act of unintentionally telling on oneself as not being a good defense because everybody does it.

FWIW, there were no "volunteers" playing at CCH practices. Not sure where Enquirer got that from. They are strictly closed to players, coaches, managers, and trainers only.

Then by golly you better be gettin' on the horn to the Enquirer and asking for a retraction for printing false info. Or wake up the kid from that dream who spilled the beans. Either way, it sure seems like a violation to me.

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