But a tire iron is designed to loosen lug nuts and change a tire. A fillet knife is designed to stab or cut flesh.

Only if the knife is misused, it is meant to clean fish not to cut human flesh. Look at it like a chain saw or an axe, they can cut your head off but aren't designed for that purpose.

 

Pure overreaction by the school

Only if the knife is misused, it is meant to clean fish not to cut human flesh. Look at it like a chain saw or an axe, they can cut your head off but aren't designed for that purpose.

 

Pure overreaction by the school

 

No, a fillet knife is being used correctly if it is being used to stab and cut flesh. That is its purpose. I did not say human flesh.

No, a fillet knife is being used correctly if it is being used to stab and cut flesh. That is its purpose. I did not say human flesh.

 

Put him jail for fish hooks too, they are designed to puncture and pierce flesh as well.

Put him jail for fish hooks too, they are designed to puncture and pierce flesh as well.

 

 

I said I didn't agree with the handling of the situation. However, knives are legally considered a weapon--fish hooks are not. I'm willing to bet that knives of all types are prohibited from being brought on school grounds, that is the difference. What if it had been his Dad's gun rack with a couple of rifles in it?

I said I didn't agree with the handling of the situation. However, knives are legally considered a weapon--fish hooks are not. I'm willing to bet that knives of all types are prohibited from being brought on school grounds, that is the difference. What if it had been his Dad's gun rack with a couple of rifles in it?

School would have executed him on the spot

Is zero tolerance a good thing or a brain dead thing?

 

The later. A knife? Really?

 

I know of one student for an opposing team that was turned back at the gate this past football season when he had what appeared to be a fully functional battle axe. Just turned back and told to put in away, not assumed to be a hardened criminal. A hunting knife in a car translates to a suspension? Complete and total idiocy on display.

I'm glad we didn't have stuff like this when I was in high school. Heck we usually hunted either before or after school. I kept an 1100 in the trunk of my 78 Tbird all the time. Never thought of coming in the school and whacking anyone either.

1. Can a person give permission to a search of another person's property?

 

2. Since the son drove the vehicle to school, was he technically in possession of the vehicle and allowed to agree to a search?

 

3. Is a school search different in the eyes of the law than another search?

 

4. If I borrow my daughter's car to go to the store and a police office asks me if he can search it, can I allow the search since it isn't my vehicle?

 

1. The government has no right to warrentless searches. A public school is a function bound to State and US contitutional law. It would seem that they have no right to a completely warrentless search or a search that has no 'reasonable suspicion' at all.

 

"David Duren-Sanner's vehicle was searched last week during a random lockdown." - A 'random lockdown' sounds like a renamed 'warrentless, no reason search'.

 

2. I would say if he drove onto the property he has 'possession' of it. Did he have an option to refuse the search? Did they ask him for his keys?

 

3. As stated above - I do not believe so. The Constitution is not suspended at the school entrance. A public school is an agent of the government.

 

4. The officer must detain you first and have a justifiable reason. If he/she does then I do not see how you can not not allow a search.

 

 

What would allow for a search. A drug sniffing dog who flags a car in the parking lot. Then there is a reason to search. But purely random searches of vehicles on a campus sounds like a serious problem.

1. The government has no right to warrentless searches. A public school is a function bound to State and US contitutional law. It would seem that they have no right to a completely warrentless search or a search that has no 'reasonable suspicion' at all.

 

"David Duren-Sanner's vehicle was searched last week during a random lockdown." - A 'random lockdown' sounds like a renamed 'warrentless, no reason search'.

 

2. I would say if he drove onto the property he has 'possession' of it. Did he have an option to refuse the search? Did they ask him for his keys?

 

3. As stated above - I do not believe so. The Constitution is not suspended at the school entrance. A public school is an agent of the government.

 

4. The officer must detain you first and have a justifiable reason. If he/she does then I do not see how you can not not allow a search.

 

 

What would allow for a search. A drug sniffing dog who flags a car in the parking lot. Then there is a reason to search. But purely random searches of vehicles on a campus sounds like a serious problem.

 

In regards to warrantless searches. If the students agreed to allow searches in exchange for being allowed to drive and park on school property. The school is under no obligation to provide parking for them. If they signed the agreement that is their problem.

 

Even if they didn't this student agreed to the search.

But even then a filet knife doesn't warrant the punishment here.

 

We need protection from all of those drive-by filletings...

David Duren-Sanner's vehicle was searched last week during a random lockdown at Northeast High School, according to a local report. Having no idea that his father's knife was inside, he agreed to the search. In addition to the 10-day suspension, he also faces weapons charges in Montgomery County.

 

The 18-year-old, whose father is a commercial fisherman, could now be forced to attend an alternative school for 90 days, though he's appealing the punishment. The vehicle belongs to his father, but Duren-Sanner had driven it to school that day.

 

HS Senior Gets Harsh Punishment After Dad's Fishing Knife Left in His Car | Fox News Insider

 

Why you don't consent to searches. What good comes from it for the kid?

Schools don't apply logic to these situations, so brain dead administration of rules. There doesn't seem to be probable cause for the search…was he just "randomly" selected ? I trust schools and their administrators less than most other public entities out there. I understand a need to protect kids in schools, but unless there was a reason (PC), why spend valuable time randomly searching ? What were they hoping to find ? This is much more of a microcosmic look at the educational system in the US than anything else. A few years ago my son was involved in an altercation at a vocational school involving a cutting torch, that belonged to the school, it ended with him being assaulted with a cell phone, that did some damage.. Where is the line on what is "dangerous" ?

The knife by itself in the vehicle is no more dangerous than the vehicle itself. If he had tried to bring the knife into the school then you could argue what his intentions were and therefor he should be subjected to punishment. If the student was intent on causing harm, he could have easily ran over multiple students with the vehicle that he was allowed to bring.