I am not sure on the nauseating part, since you asked.

 

The enitre issue, which is being debated, is about people's "opinions" of equity.

 

What is fair and equitable to you, may make others nauseated. Whether there are 3, 4, 6, or 8 classes, football will still be played on Fridays. Young men will still compete to be the best whether you, or anyone else for that matter, decide to increase classes or decrease classes. My State Championship ring will feel no less special as the class 6A champ or the class 1A champ, whether the private champ or public champ.

 

One other question, Oldbird, if I am in favor of 6 classes does that make me a hypocrite? I am confused.

 

Am I allowed to have an opinon or just you?

 

As far as your question, does it make you a hypocrite? It might.

Oldbird,

 

Why "might" supporting a 6 class system make me a hypocrite? Might is an awful vague term.

 

As long as the U.S. Constitution is the law of the land, then you may have an opinion. In fact, I would go as far as saying that your opinion is encouraged in our democratic nation. This is a fact demonstrated by your 21,000 post on this web site.

 

To continue the line of questioning, if I supported Prop 20 would I also be a hypocrite? Could I support Prop 20 while maintaining a non hypocritical stance?

Oldbird,

 

Why "might" supporting a 6 class system make me a hypocrite? Might is an awful vague term.

 

It depends on why one who supports six classes is in favor of such a measure.

 

For the record I never called you individually a hypocrite. I did paint with a broad brush and if you choose to lump yourself in with those why are hypocrites then have at it. After all you would know best if you are or aren't.

That's some deep analysis. Sorry if I missed a post through this, but am I wrong in thinking that going to 6 classes for football is only about fixing 4A?

 

If classification for most sports is watering down a state championship, then does that make most other states wrong, or is it Kentucky?

 

From what I understand, because basketball isn't in favor of classification, it has held other sports from being classified. It seems that all the dates and everything else in KY high school sports revolves around basketball.

 

Why do spring sports games have to begin following the final basketball tournament? Does basketball season wait until after football state to begin their first game (I don't think basketball should have to wait anymore than spring sports should have to wait). Just food for thought.

 

Also, why does a football team have to determine it's spring football practice by when it's girls or boys basketball team finishes (this seems pretty backwards)? Couldn't all football teams begin practice in April sometime on the same determined date?

 

:walk: Any thoughts on those issues?

It is a horrible idea for football and it would be a lousy idea for other sports.

 

Guru points it out often, but no gives a rip about "equity of size" in basketball, but it is a big enough issue in football to consider adding two classes and further watering down the championship.

 

The hypocracy of those in favor of multiple classes (and propl 20, but that is another issue) is nauseating.

 

The we need equity in every sport except except basketball is really an an argument for the intelligent.

 

 

1st know what you are talking about before you begin ripping football. The football committee has been looking at changing football for a while not just this year and not just because of prop 20. The other sports who have a coaches association need to get together and go to the KHSAA and ask for a change if they fill something needs to change. This is what the majority of the football coahes assoc. wanted and it has been handled the proper way throught the right people who serve on the football committee. There is no hypocracy, just good involvement by the football coahes assoc.

Come on now guys, calm down... I was just trying to see if it was

only a football issue or if KHSAA was thinking of classification

for other sports.

 

Say I like Volleyball for instance? :ylsuper:

1st know what you are talking about before you begin ripping football. The football committee has been looking at changing football for a while not just this year and not just because of prop 20. The other sports who have a coaches association need to get together and go to the KHSAA and ask for a change if they fill something needs to change. This is what the majority of the football coahes assoc. wanted and it has been handled the proper way throught the right people who serve on the football committee. There is no hypocracy, just good involvement by the football coahes assoc.

 

How many football coaches are AD's?

I continue to hear from a head coach in Jefferson County that changing to 6 classes is a very strong possibility in football. Western Ky will not have many 6A schools and this will present a travel issue for a district. My understanding is 6 schools are in the process of adding football statewide. Each class would have between 36 and 40 teams in it. I also have been told that the 4 teams per district qualifying for the playoffs would remain unchanged.

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Say I like Volleyball for instance? :ylsuper:

:confused: :confused: And???? Your point??? SURE, I have more interest in volleyball as I am around it much more than the rest of the sports...

but I also care about the rest of girl's and boys sports in Ky. as I have children who are going to become part of this mess at some point.

 

I really do not know where I would stand if they classified volleyball??

 

Positives and negatives on both sides.

 

First off, I do not think taking out the privates (Prop 20) is the answer.(although in volleyball, they have dominated the sport from day 1)

 

To classify v-ball would allow for more incentive for the girls. (To know that Assumption, NDA, Sacred Heart, St. Henry, etc. are all competing for the same championship, makes it a little bit harder to get teams motivated for Regional and State play)

 

Not classifying volleyball will change nothing when it comes to State. It will, 19-20 times, be a Private school winning. I do not think anyone can argue with that. I do not see anything wrong with not classifying, as it does feel good when a single A team can compete with and sometimes beat that AAAA powerhouse or private school powerhouse.

 

I am on the fence on this one, but it doesn't matter, because, at this point, it is only a FOOTBALL issue.

When was the last time a non-private 1A school won the boys basketball championship?

When was the last time a non-private 1A school won the boys basketball championship?

Bardstown in 2006. Hazard won it in 2004.

There seem to be plenty of threads on the private/public issue.

Why can't those of you with the need to vent about that do so there?

It seems like any aspect of the public/private matter that gets mentioned relative to anything else has to include a bunch of emotional, personal, provocative jabs along with the other stuff. If you are so upset and need to let things out then please start a thread on it. That way the rest of us can avoid your guys emotional ranting and thread hijacking PLEASE !!

 

 

ZX3's question about multiple classes for other sports.....

 

Football MUST have multiple classes due to the physical nature of the sport.

Classifications are not REQUIRED for the safety of the student athletes in most others school sports I can think of (I think girls lacrosse, soccer etc may have a contact stipulation like ice hockey - Im showing my ignorance here sorry)

 

Now whether six (6) classes are needed is a very valid discussion.

But I think debating and/or promoting the idea of (more)classification(s) in other sports would best be done by directing the focus strictly on the benefits for that particular sports overall vitality, stability and/or growth, as well as any benefits to the student/athletes

 

In my experience its a complete waste of time shouting at the powers that be "This is Wrong"

You're better off simply demonstrating how something else (your idea) is so much better .... for them as well ;)

 

Woody Jr

When was the last time a non-private 1A school won the boys basketball championship?

Bardstown in 2006. Hazard won it in 2004.

I was originally thinking about the All A Classic, but maybe you meant the Sweet 16. Paintsville won it all in 1996. University Heights, also a Class A school, won it all in 1992.

I was really arguing for why six (6) football classes and Prop. 20 are not good ideas more than arguing for classes in basketball.

Six classes (or additional classes) is not about more champions, from the input on this and other forums and in my opinion (which I hope I am still entitled to). It is about a better way of allowing most, if not all of the teams, to play in postseason. In every other sport, a winless team gets to start over in postseason. A team that is 0-30 can play in the baseball district, a team that is 0-24 gets to play in the district basketball tournament (and in both cases, get proceeds of the gate). But in football, a team could have 2, 3, even 5 or more wins and if they were at the wrong time, they are shut out, losing out on not only the financial proceeds, but the weeks and weeks of cumulative additional practice time for the kids over the course of a career compared to teams in the finals. We have somehow held on to this provincial notion (from when most of use were younger and playing which in my case, is at least 25 years ago) that only a select few should even get into the postseason. Why?

 

So if it takes 6 classes to get 192 teams in (and the coaches seem to prefer that over having an Indiana style system that creates early round byes and slows the momentum of successful teams), what's the big issue. Sometimes, you have to look at the individual sport and do what is best for that sport, irrespective of other sports. In this case, football schools (nearly 100 each year) have been shut out of the playoffs when all other sports can get in without doing anything. So in reality, this isn't about giving football something other sports don't have, its about bringing it up on par with other sports.

 

As for classes, remember football takes a minimum of 11 to play, but more realistically, 22 to play. So that means there is necessarily more need for classes than a sport that plays 5 at a time. A better solution might be to say that if you need 9 or more to play at one time, that sport will be classified. That would classify baseball, softball, football and soccer. In that way, you are really getting at those sports where numbers matter. In basketball, history just shows that it really doesn't matter the size of the school, except in the excuse making of some fans. Having played in college for a very small school, basketball is, was, and probably always will be about the size of the bite in the dog, not the size of the dog in the bite.

As I have previously posted in another thread, when the coaches of the other sports start clamoring for multiple classes is when the KHSAA will do it. Not before then. Until then, the KHSAA board will take the position that since most of the coaches aren't arguing for multiple classes, the coaches must not feel that having all schools in one class gives the bigger schools an advantage. And we all know that if coaches see what they perceive as a problem, they'll readily voice their opinion. So, no complaining-no problem.