That raises a different, and difficult, question in my mind. Reasonable minds certainly can disagree about what constitutes inappropriate behavior. I tend to give coaches a lot of leeway, particularly with regard to things like profanity, but racial slurs are definitely out of bounds. The issue of personal slurs is the most difficult for me, as the coach is usually in the best position to know how to try to motivate a player.

I agree with this. However, if a coach is berating his kids for playing like a bunch of vaginas, well, I'm not sure I'd agree. And I would hope these days, we surely wouldn't have a racial issue coach to player would we?

The biggest issue for me here is someone taking a device capable of photography/videography into a locker room. Who knows WHAT they are shooting?

 

DAVE

What constitutes inappropriate language? Racial stuff? Profanity? Personal slurs? What exactly?

 

I would say that race, religion, gender (any of the stuff protected as a class in employment/hiring) definitely would be.

 

I would say that anything about sexual orientation would be, as would anything that was meant to provoke a known sensitivity.

 

Looking around and trying to find the statute/regulation, but not having much luck. I'll post some definitions that might apply to inappropriate language/verbal abuse in general if I can find them (not saying that they would apply to this situation necessarily, but for a general idea of what the law says it is or isn't).

The biggest issue for me here is someone taking a device capable of photography/videography into a locker room. Who knows WHAT they are shooting?

 

DAVE

 

Very good point.

Bylaw 15, Case 11 in the KHSAA Handbook:

 

Case BL-15-11-

 

What is the Association’s position with regards to racial and ethnic slurs and profanity by participants?

 

The KHSAA recognizes the cultural diversity of its participants, coaches, officials and spectators. The Board of Control encourages each of its member schools to educate its participants and all parties involved in the sports program as to the need for a united approach to solving problems. Prejudice

on the basis of sex, race, creed or ethnic origin cannot be tolerated. In addition, it is a renewed point of emphasis for all contest officials to enforce sportsmanship rules related to the use of profanity by coaches and participants. Such conduct and language should not be allowed, and should be appropriately punished in the playing rules.

First question, what brought on the tirade? I am not saying that excuses the use of inappropriate language, but what brought on the tirade and how did a player get access to a recording device (cell phone, etc.) that quick to record the incident. Maybe that is the root of the tirade. Too many players were not paying attention to what the coach was trying to instruct them.

I agree with this. However, if a coach is berating his kids for playing like a bunch of vaginas, well, I'm not sure I'd agree. And I would hope these days, we surely wouldn't have a racial issue coach to player would we?

 

We are in agreement. There are some things that cross the line without question.

The biggest issue for me here is someone taking a device capable of photography/videography into a locker room. Who knows WHAT they are shooting?

 

DAVE

 

Every high school kid I know has a cell phone in his or her pocket capable of taking pictures and videos.

Wow.

 

Not a fan of him losing his job because he was unknowingly filmed. How many coaches would lose their job because of filmed halftime tirades and how many kids with a grudge against their coach may use this as a tactic to get back and the coach?

Every high school kid I know has a cell phone in his or her pocket capable of taking pictures and videos.

 

I'm quite aware of that, however surely there are privacy/voyeurism laws in place that would prohibit the use of these devices in areas such as a locker room?

 

DAVE

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It is rumored that a player at Bryan Station filmed a Mike Allen tirade at halftime that showed inappropriate language towards the players. He has been suspended indefinitely for verbal abuse. I'm guessing, since this is not the first time, that he will be relieved. If this comes to reality, does Jaron Brown get the job or do they open it up????

 

Its deeper than a tirade and goes beyond this particular incident. This was just the icing on the cake.

Its deeper than a tirade and goes beyond this particular incident. This was just the icing on the cake.

 

Can you within the rules explain?

I'm totally against anybody videoing or taping anything said in the locker room. I'm not condoning any coach getting "out of line", but what videoing or taping are not acceptable.

 

What is "crossing the line" with some parents (especially mothers as many of the fathers are already familiar with being yelled at by coaches) isn't with others. I always go back to the fact that coaches are hired & fired for winning, not for raising one's children to be Rhodes scholars. Winning requires a level of competitiveness that many if not most individuals (children or adults) don't possess and often coaches (head coach or staff) will have to motivate their players by making them aware of their thus far "untapped potential" and/or shortcomings.

 

Look at UK right now. They have a zillion McDonald's All-Americans and it seems most of them don't know how to play basic basketball in many ways. And many certainly aren't bringing a full effort for however many minutes they're on the floor. Laugh if you like, but I know that a large number of them would not be able to stay on our local team if they brought that kind lackadaisical attitude to practice or a game. They would end up transferring to some school that would let them have their way because they are so skilled.

 

Coaches cross the line, then it can be addressed, but recording devices in a locker room - NOPE, not the way to get it done.

The incident has zero to do with race. This is not the first incident that Coach Allen has had with verbal abuse towards players. This time he's on film doing it. Talk about privacy all you want to but the world we live in is a crazy one where anything that we say or do can be recorded. Therefore, we all have to be smarter regardless of our occupation. There seems to be little or no privacy...if one does not do anything wrong (especially on that level) then there is no reason to worry.

Concerning a subject along the same lines of this,,what is going on with the deal at Cordia,,leaving the player behind????