Yes you are correct, but he made probably the best most perfect throw in crunch time I have ever seen in a huge game. It was a great throw and just as great a catch for Holmes to get his feet down in bounds. The Eli throw, though clutch (scramble more impressive), was a once in a lifetime catch by Tyree, impressive none the less.

 

He did. That was a great drive overall. Does that make him a big game player, one drive? I don't know. Over the body of his work, he hasn't been stellar in the playoffs or Super Bowls, but he sure does get a pass.

He did. That was a great drive overall. Does that make him a big game player, one drive? I don't know. Over the body of his work, he hasn't been stellar in the playoffs or Super Bowls, but he sure does get a pass.

 

That is where I think people may be on different tracks. Is it a whole game or making the big play when the game is on the line? I think back three years ago in the AFC Championship game Pats/Ravens when Flacco just could not have played any better and made the throw to win it that was stripped from Evans. The Ravens lost, but Flacco played lights out. Of course, they won it last year and his play was outstanding.

 

I think you can look at it two ways. Clutch throw when you have to make it or playing a complete game to keep you in it for the chance at the end.

 

Manning was never really allowed to prove anything due to a total lack of competitiveness with the team, him included.

Yes you are correct' date=' but he made probably the best most perfect throw in crunch time I have ever seen in a huge game. It was a great throw and just as great a catch for Holmes to get his feet down in bounds. The Eli throw, though clutch (scramble more impressive), was a once in a lifetime catch by Tyree, impressive none the less.[/quote']

 

The Eli throw to Manningham on the final drive in XLVI was better than the throw to Tyree.

 

People don't talk about it much for some reason but that's one of the best throw and catch combos I've seen in a Super Bowl.

Yes you are correct, but he made probably the best most perfect throw in crunch time I have ever seen in a huge game. It was a great throw and just as great a catch for Holmes to get his feet down in bounds. The Eli throw, though clutch (scramble more impressive), was a once in a lifetime catch by Tyree, impressive none the less.

 

Think about it, two abnormal plays have kept Tom Brady from being considered the best QB ever and have elevated Eli Manning from an average QB to talk of being elite. Welker drops a pass he catches 99 times out of a hundred in one super bowl and Tyree catches a ball he probably doesn't 90 times out of a hundred in another. But the QB's get the praise or the blame, such is life. On the flip side that's why they also get the hundreds of millions and the super model wives.

Think about it' date=' two abnormal plays have kept Tom Brady from being considered the best QB ever and have elevated Eli Manning from an average QB to talk of being elite. Welker drops a pass he catches 99 times out of a hundred in one super bowl and Tyree catches a ball he probably doesn't 90 times out of a hundred in another. But the QB's get the praise or the blame, such is life. On the flip side that's why they also get the hundreds of millions and the super model wives.[/quote']

 

To be fair to Eli he did make a heck of a play to get out of the sack and throw the ball downfield. The catch was great...but it wasn't the only part of the play.

Peyton made it to 3 Super Bowls, he apparently can get it done in big games. Anyone who thinks the only big games are the Super Bowl alone I would have to disagree.

Think about it, two abnormal plays have kept Tom Brady from being considered the best QB ever and have elevated Eli Manning from an average QB to talk of being elite. Welker drops a pass he catches 99 times out of a hundred in one super bowl and Tyree catches a ball he probably doesn't 90 times out of a hundred in another. But the QB's get the praise or the blame, such is life. On the flip side that's why they also get the hundreds of millions and the super model wives.

To be fair though, that was a poorly thrown pass. I hate when people blame Welker for that drop when it was a horrible pass to begin with just like many other passes Brady had in that game.

To be fair though, that was a poorly thrown pass. I hate when people blame Welker for that drop when it was a horrible pass to begin with just like many other passes Brady had in that game.

 

It was a bad throw, but it was not as if Welker was attempting a SportsCenter top 10 move to make that catch. Then again Welker is notorious for dropping balls, so 99 out of 100 isn't a fair assessment when talking Wes Welker.

It was a bad throw' date=' but it was not as if Welker was attempting a SportsCenter top 10 move to make that catch. Then again Welker is notorious for dropping balls, so 99 out of 100 isn't a fair assessment when talking Wes Welker.[/quote']

 

Collinsworth said he makes that catch 100 times out of 100. :lol2:

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To be fair though, that was a poorly thrown pass. I hate when people blame Welker for that drop when it was a horrible pass to begin with just like many other passes Brady had in that game.

 

Absolutely could have been and should have been caught and it wouldn't have been a very difficult catch. It was not a horrible pass but it obviously could have been thrown better. Passes and catches of that nature are commonly made. However the point was how much on the edge greatness is from ordinary in the life of an NFL QB.

To be fair to Eli he did make a heck of a play to get out of the sack and throw the ball downfield. The catch was great...but it wasn't the only part of the play.

 

True dat! That was a heck of a scramble and throw.

Absolutely could have been and should have been caught and it wouldn't have been a very difficult catch. It was not a horrible pass but it obviously could have been thrown better. Passes and catches of that nature are commonly made. However the point was how much on the edge greatness is from ordinary in the life of an NFL QB.

Running full speed and having a pass thrown behind you where you have to do a 180 while going full speed in order to catch the ball is not a very easy pass to catch. I think Welker gets too much blame for that only because people are afraid to put any blame on the untouchable Tom Brady....just ask Giselle after the game what she thought.

Running full speed and having a pass thrown behind you where you have to do a 180 while going full speed in order to catch the ball is not a very easy pass to catch. I think Welker gets too much blame for that only because people are afraid to put any blame on the untouchable Tom Brady....just ask Giselle after the game what she thought.

 

It's not a very easy catch but it's one made with regularity in the NFL by the top receivers, of which Welker is one. Was no where near a horrible pass. I agree with Giselle.

I think we all can agree that NOBODY is perfect, including Manning, Brady and Welker.

I think Peyton can get it done in big games, the Seahawks were just a better team. They consistently got pressure on him, and I don't care who your QB is or how good he is, he's not going to look good when you get that kind of pressure on him. We're also talking about a Seahawks team who won the conference championship without one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league in Percy Harvin.

 

Thought some of the analysts on ESPN radio brought up a good point the other night though. Playing against a physical team like the Seahawks, we saw the most success from teams who could match that physicality. An example of this would be the 49ers with their heavy packages or teams who could put in a fullback that could take on one of the linebackers at the second level.

 

With the Broncos, you have a finesse passing team who relied on lots of rubs and whose backs weren't downhill runners. They had no alternative to trying to speed the game up and keep throwing. Every incompletion just played into the Seahawks hands, but the Broncos didn't really have an alternative to what they were doing.