August 17, 201313 yr Id say (and this is a guess) you are about as likely to be struck by lighting as you are to be victimized by a botched police "raid".Depends on where you live, really.
August 17, 201313 yr I didn't see any links, what are you talking about?My mistake, I meant examples. When you have time you can look at the many stories out there. You can also read the pdf link I posted. I think you're taking my posts as there is an overwhelming abuse of SWAT teams, I'm not saying that. I'm saying stories are on the rise and I do have concerns. I refuse to just turn a blind eye just to feel safe. Everything gets abused, even the use of the police and it would be foolish to ignore it.
August 17, 201313 yr My mistake, I meant examples. When you have time you can look at the many stories out there. You can also read the pdf link I posted. I think you're taking my posts as there is an overwhelming abuse of SWAT teams, I'm not saying that. I'm saying stories are on the rise and I do have concerns. I refuse to just turn a blind eye just to feel safe. Everything gets abused, even the use of the police and it would be foolish to ignore it. I agree that there are examples out there I just don't always take the medias word alone that the evil police did something wrong on purpose and for no reason. It certainly happens and I'm sure it happens more often in some departments than others. Whether we like it or not, sometimes the police are going to mess up. If its criminal, they should pay the price for that. I don't know what else to say.
August 17, 201313 yr When the heck have the police ever patrolled a city in full swat gear with armored trucks ? The Boston marathon attack?? Did you see the people of boston afterwards? They were lined up down the streets cheering the police for their efforts. I've never seen anything like it. I guess you'd rather have Andy Griffith chasing the bombers dodging pipe bombs along the way? Aside from that, when have the police used swat teams and armored trucks for every day police work i.e. patrolling the streets? I don't give a hoot if they were cheering it or not. There is a rule of law that each state, each city must abide by. You had a forced lockdown of the entire city. Militarized police riding in tanks. Warrantless searches. Families being forced outta their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. What's more disturbing is the reaction our law enforcement took than the attack itself. What they did is unprecedented and unsuccessful. The dude was found by a private citizen who saw him on his private property hiding. I'm pretty sure the terrorists pretty much win if they can kill three people and an entire city flushes the Constitution down the drain. As to your last question: Armored truck patrolling community after break-ins | www.wsbtv.com "It's a bit much. It's not Afghanistan," Hunter said. Officers said the equipment is essential in their war on crime NH Police Acquisition of Military-Style Vehicles Raises Questions | New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union Concord Police Department’s application to Homeland Security for a $258,000 armored BearCat vehicle. The application cites non-violent groups—such as the Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire—as justification for needing the armored vehicle, asserting that New Hampshire’s experience with terrorism “slants primarily towards the domestic type” and that “the threat is real and here” . New Hampshire cities of Manchester and Keene have already acquired similar vehicles. Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade. But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house A soldiers role is to go to war, destroy and kill the enemy. A police officer's role is not.
August 17, 201313 yr Author And just as I thought, it looks likely that a lot of those could be related to the War on Drugs, look at the increase in incarceration numbers during that same time span. [ATTACH=CONFIG]40793[/ATTACH] How does that make the dramatic increase in swat raids justified ?
August 17, 201313 yr Author I agree sometimes the police mess up. Is that really news? Police are people after all. Problem is when police do mess up they aren't normally punished like you or I would be. I agree mistakes happen but when they do happen you should be punished accordingly.
August 17, 201313 yr Author I don't give a hoot if they were cheering it or not. There is a rule of law that each state, each city must abide by. You had a forced lockdown of the entire city. Militarized police riding in tanks. Warrantless searches. Families being forced outta their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. What's more disturbing is the reaction our law enforcement took than the attack itself. What they did is unprecedented and unsuccessful. The dude was found by a private citizen who saw him on his private property hiding. I'm pretty sure the terrorists pretty much win if they can kill three people and an entire city flushes the Constitution down the drain. As to your last question: Armored truck patrolling community after break-ins | www.wsbtv.com "It's a bit much. It's not Afghanistan," Hunter said. Officers said the equipment is essential in their war on crime NH Police Acquisition of Military-Style Vehicles Raises Questions | New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union Concord Police Department’s application to Homeland Security for a $258,000 armored BearCat vehicle. The application cites non-violent groups—such as the Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire—as justification for needing the armored vehicle, asserting that New Hampshire’s experience with terrorism “slants primarily towards the domestic type” and that “the threat is real and here” . New Hampshire cities of Manchester and Keene have already acquired similar vehicles. Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade. But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house A soldiers role is to go to war, destroy and kill the enemy. A police officer's role is not. I'm guessing these examples won't be enough we will have to look up more.
August 17, 201313 yr Author My mistake, I meant examples. When you have time you can look at the many stories out there. You can also read the pdf link I posted. I think you're taking my posts as there is an overwhelming abuse of SWAT teams, I'm not saying that. I'm saying stories are on the rise and I do have concerns. I refuse to just turn a blind eye just to feel safe. Everything gets abused, even the use of the police and it would be foolish to ignore it. That is my major concern. The government slowly takes freedoms or increases power of police forces using fear as justification. You guys can mock me and call me crazy that's fine. But I'm far from a crazy person with extreme views. Good people can have good intention but it doesn't justify the results . Whether its the patriot act , growing miliarty arms in LE , obamacare or something as simple as smoking bans. It all comes back to some group or govt official using fear of the possibilty of a future bad event to justify eroding freedoms. You don't agree fine. I'll continue to ask questions and raise concerns when stories like this pop up.
August 17, 201313 yr I don't give a hoot if they were cheering it or not. There is a rule of law that each state, each city must abide by. You had a forced lockdown of the entire city. Militarized police riding in tanks. Warrantless searches. Families being forced outta their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. What's more disturbing is the reaction our law enforcement took than the attack itself. What they did is unprecedented and unsuccessful. The dude was found by a private citizen who saw him on his private property hiding. I'm pretty sure the terrorists pretty much win if they can kill three people and an entire city flushes the Constitution down the drain. As to your last question: Armored truck patrolling community after break-ins | www.wsbtv.com "It's a bit much. It's not Afghanistan," Hunter said. Officers said the equipment is essential in their war on crime NH Police Acquisition of Military-Style Vehicles Raises Questions | New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union Concord Police Department’s application to Homeland Security for a $258,000 armored BearCat vehicle. The application cites non-violent groups—such as the Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire—as justification for needing the armored vehicle, asserting that New Hampshire’s experience with terrorism “slants primarily towards the domestic type” and that “the threat is real and here” . New Hampshire cities of Manchester and Keene have already acquired similar vehicles. Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade. But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house A soldiers role is to go to war, destroy and kill the enemy. A police officer's role is not. I don't have time to read the articles now but based on titles you provided one example of police using these tools for general patrol duties. I don't disagree that example is probably excessive. However if you think it's excessive for police to carry AR's I don't agree. The general public is allowed to carry an AR, why shouldn't the police?? And you insinuate the police are using all of these tools to kill innocent civilians or that's how I read it. As for Boston, I'd say the police were on the right track looking for the bomber in or around houses since he was, like you said, hiding on someone's property. Its easy to MMQB their decisions months later then there's no pressure if having a bomb thrown at you. I think they did a fine job.
August 17, 201313 yr How does that make the dramatic increase in swat raids justified ? It shows a direct correlation with increased drug arrests. It's not rocket science.
August 17, 201313 yr Author It shows a direct correlation with increased drug arrests. It's not rocket science. Understand the correlation. Just don't necessarily agree it makes them all justified . My point if post isn't to criticize the individual officers. They follow orders in the system they were handed. I have a problem with the system.
August 17, 201313 yr I don't give a hoot if they were cheering it or not. There is a rule of law that each state, each city must abide by. You had a forced lockdown of the entire city. Militarized police riding in tanks. Warrantless searches. Families being forced outta their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. What's more disturbing is the reaction our law enforcement took than the attack itself. What they did is unprecedented and unsuccessful. The dude was found by a private citizen who saw him on his private property hiding. I'm pretty sure the terrorists pretty much win if they can kill three people and an entire city flushes the Constitution down the drain. As to your last question: Armored truck patrolling community after break-ins | www.wsbtv.com "It's a bit much. It's not Afghanistan," Hunter said. Officers said the equipment is essential in their war on crime NH Police Acquisition of Military-Style Vehicles Raises Questions | New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union Concord Police Department’s application to Homeland Security for a $258,000 armored BearCat vehicle. The application cites non-violent groups—such as the Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire—as justification for needing the armored vehicle, asserting that New Hampshire’s experience with terrorism “slants primarily towards the domestic type” and that “the threat is real and here” . New Hampshire cities of Manchester and Keene have already acquired similar vehicles. Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons - The Daily Beast North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade. But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house A soldiers role is to go to war, destroy and kill the enemy. A police officer's role is not. Also from the first article. "If it's something to where it's going to make the people that live here feel a little (safer) like things are OK then why not?," Hunter explained. I guess he's brainwashed huh? And that vehicle was used in response to a string of home burglaries in which a woman was left dead and the suspects got away in the dark of night. The bearcat was equipped with thermal imaging, to help keep it from happening a second time.
August 18, 201313 yr When an ordinary citizen obtains an AR15 he is exercising his rights as a free American. When a police officer is issued that same rifle it's a 'military weapon.' I can leave the house, purchase an AR15, a kevlar vest, a Kevlar helmet, and enough ammunition to have 100 rounds for every policeman in the city where I live, and be back home in less than 3 hours. All perfectly legal. If the policeman who lives two doors down is issued those same things there is some sinister conspiracy to take away my rights. There are now millions of 'assault rifles' in the hands of citizens. Why would the police not be armed in a manner at least equal to the level of threat that they have every reasonable expectation to face? Once they carried revolvers and a few spare bullets. Then then got speed loaders. Then semi-automatic handguns. Police have evolved with the times. The times we live in,unfortunately, call for a greater level of preparedness. I have no problem with that.
August 18, 201313 yr Also from the first article. "If it's something to where it's going to make the people that live here feel a little (safer) like things are OK then why not?," Hunter explained. I guess he's brainwashed huh? And that vehicle was used in response to a string of home burglaries in which a woman was left dead and the suspects got away in the dark of night. The bearcat was equipped with thermal imaging, to help keep it from happening a second time. Lets not get carried away. It's just 1 dead innocent women and escaped suspects. No since in trying to prevent more innocent people from being killed by Arming officers with the equipment needed to protect those who can't protect themselves. We got guys like LB to regulate without the po-lice interfering and bringing out their fancy schmancy equipment to help catch the evil-doers....
August 18, 201313 yr The thing I'm laughing the hardest at is the reference of "no knock warrants". When called out about not even knowing what a no knock warrant is, he posts a link to Wikipedia :lol2: What a joke
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