Dumbest post you've read. You must not read your own crap. Not one time in my entire life, living in three different states, have I ever been subjected to such random checks, city wide lockdowns, or Marshall law. These incidents are incredibly uncommon and not becoming the accepted norm. What they are is widely reported upon and even more widely distorted to fit the agenda of the anti government conspiracy theorists. Look at the links posted in this thread and trash rags that they come from. With little effort most have been proven untrue by other posters.

 

Imagine the audacity of the Boston area police asking for identification from someone on the streets of an area where they were searching for(and found) a known terrorist. Why would you be on the streets? For an emergency? Yes, and easily explained to police who would willingly help you. Outside of that there is no reason and so the police remove you because your not smart enough to stay away from danger yourself.

 

I've linked from Washington Times, Salon, Mother Jones, Local news, ABC, etc. Trash rags?

 

And I haven't read anything nor come across a poster who is anti-government. I've seen posters who wish to keep within our rule of law instead of knee-jerk reactions.

 

And it doesn't even take a the Boston bombing to demand identification from absolutely everyone.

 

It came from a town of 26,000 people where the city saw a rise in violence. From the trash rag Salon article:

 

The mayor and police chief announced that starting this month police in SWAT gear carrying AR-15s would patrol the streets.

 

“If you’re out walking, we’re going to stop you, ask why you’re out walking, and check for your ID,” police chief Todd Stovall told a December town hall meeting. As if to render the implementation of a visible police state more palatable, Stovall assured residents that police stops would not be based on any profiling: “We’re going to do it to everybody,” he said.

 

Using SWAT teams for routine patrols isn’t uncommon. Fresno did this for several years in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The city sent its Violent Crimes Suppression Unit into poorer neighborhoods and stopped, confronted, questioned, and searched nearly everyone they encountered. “It’s a war,” one SWAT officer told Christian Parenti in a a report for The Nation (not available online). Another said, “If you’re 21, male, living in one of these neighborhoods, and you’re not in our computer, then there’s something definitely wrong.”

 

Balko picked up on interesting detail in Stovall’s comments. The police chief said, “This fear is what’s given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they’re scared, we can do this.” As Balko pointed out, although there was an uptick in violent crime in Paragould, “fear” of crime was used as the pretext to implement martial law — based on such troubling reasoning, there is never not fear in U.S. towns today and so there is never not a pretext to introduce patrolling SWAT teams.

 

So while you are correct, it may be a new, uncommon thing for middle-class white cities and towns, it isn't uncommon for them to do this in poor areas.

 

I was actually in DC recently visiting a friend. Doesn't live in the nicest of areas. There were black people with their families, hanging out, grilling in the park. I didn't see anything wrong. Kids were having fun. People were drinking some brews. I'm sure there were some suspicious characters. An hour later, police start to arrive.

 

They arrested everyone who didn't have an ID.

 

These were people who were in their own respective neighborhood getting arrested for not having an ID.

I've linked from Washington Times, Salon, Mother Jones, Local news, ABC, etc. Trash rags?

 

And I haven't read anything nor come across a poster who is anti-government. I've seen posters who wish to keep within our rule of law instead of knee-jerk reactions.

 

And it doesn't even take a the Boston bombing to demand identification from absolutely everyone.

 

It came from a town of 26,000 people where the city saw a rise in violence. From the trash rag Salon article:

 

The mayor and police chief announced that starting this month police in SWAT gear carrying AR-15s would patrol the streets.

 

“If you’re out walking, we’re going to stop you, ask why you’re out walking, and check for your ID,” police chief Todd Stovall told a December town hall meeting. As if to render the implementation of a visible police state more palatable, Stovall assured residents that police stops would not be based on any profiling: “We’re going to do it to everybody,” he said.

 

Using SWAT teams for routine patrols isn’t uncommon. Fresno did this for several years in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The city sent its Violent Crimes Suppression Unit into poorer neighborhoods and stopped, confronted, questioned, and searched nearly everyone they encountered. “It’s a war,” one SWAT officer told Christian Parenti in a a report for The Nation (not available online). Another said, “If you’re 21, male, living in one of these neighborhoods, and you’re not in our computer, then there’s something definitely wrong.”

 

Balko picked up on interesting detail in Stovall’s comments. The police chief said, “This fear is what’s given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they’re scared, we can do this.” As Balko pointed out, although there was an uptick in violent crime in Paragould, “fear” of crime was used as the pretext to implement martial law — based on such troubling reasoning, there is never not fear in U.S. towns today and so there is never not a pretext to introduce patrolling SWAT teams.

 

So while you are correct, it may be a new, uncommon thing for middle-class white cities and towns, it isn't uncommon for them to do this in poor areas.

 

I was actually in DC recently visiting a friend. Doesn't live in the nicest of areas. There were black people with their families, hanging out, grilling in the park. I didn't see anything wrong. Kids were having fun. People were drinking some brews. I'm sure there were some suspicious characters. An hour later, police start to arrive.

 

They arrested everyone who didn't have an ID.

 

These were people who were in their own respective neighborhood getting arrested for not having an ID.

 

I'm calling bull on that. You have any proof or are you making wild accusations? How do you know they were arrested for nothing more than not having an ID? Also, do you have any proof that it's common for police to stop and ID every single person in "poor areas"? You make a lot of false accusations and pretend that they're justified because you have one article stating that ONE police department did it durning ONE period of time. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

I'm calling bull on that. You have any proof or are you making wild accusations? How do you know they were arrested for nothing more than not having an ID? Also, do you have any proof that it's common for police to stop and ID every single person in "poor areas"? You make a lot of false accusations and pretend that they're justified because you have one article stating that ONE police department did it durning ONE period of time. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

 

It was there....I didn't have Washington post on speed dial so I can't provide a link.

 

Granted, there wasn't a lot of people to get arrested, but it definitely prevented people from walking down where the park was. I think that to be ridiculous when a citizen can't tour his own neighborhood.

 

Regardless, the stuff happens. I've posted links about it and I've seen it first hand. And one city violating the rule of law is too much.

 

And please tell me where I have made false accusations.

The problem is YOU don't know squat about so called "no knock warrants" or when they're used. You look foolish because you can't even put what they are in your own words so you cite Wikipedia :lol2:. Were you the kid who photo-copied encyclopedia's for reports in school?

 

Lol because I'm the first person to post a link. Anytime you want to discuss any topic political or economics I'll be happy to discuss. I only look foolish to you because I refuse to agree with you . What do you want me to describe in my own words . You are the one because of your obvious profession to take any criticism .I'll continue to question and discuss anything I deem worthy.

 

I learned along time ago unintelligent people can only name call. I was trying to have a civil discussion and you attack very mature. But then again you brought nothing to discussion .

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I wonder what the crime history in that area had been and what caused the crack down? I'm sure that is not a 24/7 365 occurrence in DC.

 

BTW...There are 40 police departments in Washington DC.

I seriously after reading this thread don't understand why some posters can't have a discussion an a adult manner . Name calling and anger for raising legitimate concerns . Tempers flare over one an article I think raised legitimate concern. I don't think a city that size needs that vehicle and if you want to talk from a cost basis the ROI makes no sense.

 

I will continue to bring up topics that interest me . But if you don't want to discuss like an adult I will ignore you.

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It was there....I didn't have Washington post on speed dial so I can't provide a link.

 

Granted, there wasn't a lot of people to get arrested, but it definitely prevented people from walking down where the park was. I think that to be ridiculous when a citizen can't tour his own neighborhood.

 

Regardless, the stuff happens. I've posted links about it and I've seen it first hand. And one city violating the rule of law is too much.

 

And please tell me where I have made false accusations.

 

How do you know what they were being arrested for?

How do you know what they were being arrested for?

 

I heard several people complaining about it, some of them walking away because they didn't have ID's.

 

The cops were there for a decent amount of time. I'm sure there were some people who've had trouble with the law in the neighborhood block party; some of the arrests were probably legitimate. But its bad form to threaten, intimidate, or arrest because they don't have identification.

 

I heard several people complaining about it, some of them walking away because they didn't have ID's.

 

The cops were there for a decent amount of time. I'm sure there were some people who've had trouble with the law in the neighborhood block party; some of the arrests were probably legitimate. But its bad form to threaten, intimidate, or arrest because they don't have identification.

 

And you didn't see it first hand, you HEARD people talk about it. You didn't present it that way initially.

There is a great deal of excellent discussion occurring in this thread. However, if some of you do not lay off the childish personal barbs, I will close the thread.

Please do, arrogance has taken over.

I seriously after reading this thread don't understand why some posters can't have a discussion an a adult manner . Name calling and anger for raising legitimate concerns . Tempers flare over one an article I think raised legitimate concern. I don't think a city that size needs that vehicle and if you want to talk from a cost basis the ROI makes no sense.

 

I will continue to bring up topics that interest me . But if you don't want to discuss like an adult I will ignore you.

 

Talk politics and economics all you want. I stand by my statement you know zero about SRT protocol. Very few agencies have their own SRT's. Sooooo much goes into planning an actual high risk search warrant or "no knocks" as you refer to them. Just cause you google and come up with a few dozen search warrants gone sideways does not make you an expert nor does it even amount to a fraction of 1% of raids or no knocks or whatever you want to call them. Just because a group of federal agents or local POlice guys do a dynamic entry on a search warrant, doesn't make themSWAT/SRT/ERT. The vast majority of search warrants aren't executed by SWAT teams.

 

I also fail to see how saying someone looks foolish for posting links instead of forming their own sentences on what they believe a search warrant is, is name calling... You can attempt to debate this all you want. I don't really call it much of debate on your part because all you are doing is copying and pasting others biased articles and attempting to pass them off as your own ideas. I stand behind the fact you are grossly uniformed on this topic and you should do a little more research than what Wikipedia is providing you.:wave:

Talk politics and economics all you want. I stand by my statement you know zero about SRT protocol. Very few agencies have their own SRT's. Sooooo much goes into planning an actual high risk search warrant or "no knocks" as you refer to them. Just cause you google and come up with a few dozen search warrants gone sideways does not make you an expert nor does it even amount to a fraction of 1% of raids or no knocks or whatever you want to call them. Just because a group of federal agents or local POlice guys do a dynamic entry on a search warrant, doesn't make themSWAT/SRT/ERT. The vast majority of search warrants aren't executed by SWAT teams.

 

I also fail to see how saying someone looks foolish for posting links instead of forming their own sentences on what they believe a search warrant is, is name calling... You can attempt to debate this all you want. I don't really call it much of debate on your part because all you are doing is copying and pasting others biased articles and attempting to pass them off as your own ideas. I stand behind the fact you are grossly uniformed on this topic and you should do a little more research than what Wikipedia is providing you.:wave:

 

The Cato institute has estimated atleast 40 innocent victims have died due to no knock warrants during this spike. You guys will say % wise that it doesn't matter. I would counter your argument that one innocent life lost in raids that could be redesigned is to many. That is fine because you are in LE you want to continue to give your brothers a pass and not talk about solutions.

 

In a different topic just a few weeks ago we discussed an innocent man getting shot in his own drive way because police approach the street and didn't identify themselves to the neighborhood. I was told they did this for the saftey of the officer. Every time I hear about instances like that or No Knock Warrants. It always come back to the saftey of the officer first and the saftey of the innocent civilian second.

 

Your reasons for saying I don't understand are hilarious and shows how feable your mind is, and it makes me laugh. The reason I don't like No Knock warrants is because it leaves little room for any error. If an officer has the wrong address , wrong apartment etc... there is no way to correct it because they do not identify themselves. Just like the death penalty if one innocent person is harmed using this barbaric tactic then it needs to be changed. One innocent victim does not justify successful raids.

LB you talk about the loss of one innocent life and I agree the loss of any life is a tragedy. Do you feel the same way about abortion or are you more of a pro-choice guy?