July 8, 201313 yr Do you attend any sporting events? Do you have a problem with security checking bags or your person? Answer my question and I will answer yours.
July 8, 201313 yr Let me ask this, would anyone have a problem with cops pulling over drivers for no reason other then to see if they are drunk or to gain probable cause to search the car? Im not sure why its that hard to see the point Clyde is arguing. Honestly no. Wouldn't bother me a bit.
July 8, 201313 yr You and a few others have repeatedly made the point that the police cannot check inside of your car after they stop you at a checkpoint. While that is right it's also 100% immaterial to the repeated point I've made. What happens post-stop is not the issue. THE STOP IS THE ISSUE. It goes completely against the 4th amendment. By missing that key point you are missing why my examples/analogies are indeed relevant and material. In your opinion the stop is against the 4th amendment. The courts disagree with your opinion.
July 8, 201313 yr Yes. But you're talking about going to an event that is ran and owned by a private company. They are not required to have any type of probable cause to ask you to allow them to search you. Your consent is implied as a condition of admission. They can't, however, compel you to consent to a search. You can simply refuse and leave if you want. If you ever get a DUI, you will be read the Implied Consent warning.
July 8, 201313 yr Irrelevant. There is no 4th Amendment rights regarding a baseball game. The owner of the club or the sport itself is setting the rules. Ok. Lets say your child has been kidnapped. It just happened, and there is only one road leading to the highway. Would you have a problem with the police setting up a road block checking every car before they enter the highway?
July 8, 201313 yr Author In your opinion the stop is against the 4th amendment. The courts disagree with your opinion. You are the damn king of stating the obvious.
July 8, 201313 yr Author Ok. Lets say your child has been kidnapped. It just happened, and there is only one road leading to the highway. Would you have a problem with the police setting up a road block checking every car before they enter the highway? No because I'm selfish when it comes to my child.
July 8, 201313 yr You are the damn king of stating the obvious. :lol2: and you are the queen of whining.
July 8, 201313 yr Author Ok. Lets say your child has been kidnapped. It just happened, and there is only one road leading to the highway. Would you have a problem with the police setting up a road block checking every car before they enter the highway? BTW that is a great question. It's not analogous to my examples but it is indeed a good question. There is ONE key difference between a checkpoint and your example. A known crime has been committed. That's not true in the checkpoint example.
July 8, 201313 yr Author :lol2: and you are the queen of whining. I get this when the person I'm debating can't use rational thought.
July 8, 201313 yr I get this when the person I'm debating can't use rational thought. Who's not using rational thoughts? You make an insult, and get it right back then can only insult in response? Dude get over yourself. You don't like roadblocks, and the courts disagree with you. Just cause you can't convince the majority to go along with you doesn't mean they aren't rational and it certainly doesn't make you the smartest man in the thread. People aren't irrational or stupid because they disagree with you. At the end of the day, it's the court decision on how to interpret the constitution. Not the police officer and certainly not an "expert" such as yourself.
July 9, 201313 yr Let me ask this, would anyone have a problem with cops pulling over drivers for no reason other then to see if they are drunk or to gain probable cause to search the car? Im not sure why its that hard to see the point Clyde is arguing. Coast Guard does this all day every day, they call it a Safety Inspection.
July 9, 201313 yr Coast Guard does this all day every day, they call it a Safety Inspection. Is the Coast Guard under a different standard since they are considered a military organization?
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