I want the police to keep my neighborhood safe from bombs. Don't you? I also don't want drugs in my neighborhood. I assume you don't either. So by your logic you are fine if the police show up at your house to search for both.

 

My logic is this. If you have probable cause the police can do what they want. If they knock on my door and they see explosives they are more than obliged to come on in. At a checkpoint if I roll my window down I show signs of being intoxicated they can test and check me me all they want. To me there is no difference. I get what your saying though.

My logic is this. If you have probable cause the police can do what they want. If they knock on my door and they see explosives they are more than obliged to come on in. At a checkpoint if I roll my window down I show signs of being intoxicated they can test and check me me all they want. To me there is no difference. I get what your saying though.

 

Loogy, here's why I say your logic is wrong.

 

You said you were cool with the checkpoints because you had nothing to hide and it helps keep the roads safe.

 

They had no reason to stop you . You showed no signs of being drunk. The stop itself is unconstitutional IMO and the courts have let the purported results drive their decision and not the law. There is no proof that these checkpoints do anything to make roads safer.

 

You cannot be OK with this and NOT be OK with the police entering your home for no reason other than to make sure you're not making bombs or stashing weapons or possessing drugs. It's the exact same thing. They had no reason to enter in the first place and by law they cannot. No difference at all in this example and the checkpoint.

 

The end cannot justify the means.

 

You willing to let the police send in a team in the middle of the night to check your house for explosives?

 

If I lived in Boston during the bombings, heck yes.

 

Randomly for no reason..no.

 

Going through a checkpoint on a public road is very very different IMO. Police still can't "search" your things without some type of probable cause or consent.

 

Loogy, here's why I say your logic is wrong.

 

You said you were cool with the checkpoints because you had nothing to hide and it helps keep the roads safe.

 

They had no reason to stop you . You showed no signs of being drunk. The stop itself is unconstitutional IMO and the courts have let the purported results drive their decision and not the law. There is no proof that these checkpoints do anything to make roads safer.

 

You cannot be OK with this and NOT be OK with the police entering your home for no reason other than to make sure you're not making bombs or stashing weapons or possessing drugs. It's the exact same thing. They had no reason to enter in the first place and by law they cannot. No difference at all in this example and the checkpoint.

 

The end cannot justify the means.

 

There's no way to know how many DUI crashes are prevented every day from police check points...

Loogy, here's why I say your logic is wrong.

 

You said you were cool with the checkpoints because you had nothing to hide and it helps keep the roads safe.

 

They had no reason to stop you . You showed no signs of being drunk. The stop itself is unconstitutional IMO and the courts have let the purported results drive their decision and not the law. There is no proof that these checkpoints do anything to make roads safer.

 

You cannot be OK with this and NOT be OK with the police entering your home for no reason other than to make sure you're not making bombs or stashing weapons or possessing drugs. It's the exact same thing. They had no reason to enter in the first place and by law they cannot. No difference at all in this example and the checkpoint.

 

The end cannot justify the means.

 

They don't enter your car at a checkpoint do they?

^Not without PC

Clyde, no offense but until you work a fatality accident where an impaired driver was to blame, you don't fully grasp the importance of DUI checkpoints. A DUI arrest from a checkpoint may save a life that night or it may save one down the road as that person just might think its not worth the fines, jail time, going w/out a vehicle, higher insurance etc. and not drive impaired again.

They don't enter your car at a checkpoint do they?

 

You're missing the point, Loogy. They forced stop without cause is the problem.

Clyde, no offense but until you work a fatality accident where an impaired driver was to blame, you don't fully grasp the importance of DUI checkpoints. A DUI arrest from a checkpoint may save a life that night or it may save one down the road as that person just might think its not worth the fines, jail time, going w/out a vehicle, higher insurance etc. and not drive impaired again.

 

The end does not justify the means. If it did then you and everyone else would be alright with having the police enter a house without cause. Are you OK with that?

Clyde' date=' no offense but until you work a fatality accident where an impaired driver was to blame, you don't fully grasp the importance of DUI checkpoints. A DUI arrest from a checkpoint may save a life that night or it may save one down the road as that person just might think its not worth the fines, jail time, going w/out a vehicle, higher insurance etc. and not drive impaired again.[/quote']

 

Then why not have DUI checkpoints set up everyday?

 

Obviously the checkpoints don't fully work because people still drink and drive everyday and if the police announce when a checkpoint is then that's pointless as well.

Then why not have DUI checkpoints set up everyday?

 

Obviously the checkpoints don't fully work because people still drink and drive everyday and if the police announce when a checkpoint is then that's pointless as well.

 

If an announced checkopint keeps one person from driving and drinking that night how is it pointless?

 

The end does not justify the means. If it did then you and everyone else would be alright with having the police enter a house without cause. Are you OK with that?

 

I think there is a huge difference in what you are saying.

 

Police can't search your vehicle without cause at a checkpoint.

 

Then why not have DUI checkpoints set up everyday?

 

Obviously the checkpoints don't fully work because people still drink and drive everyday and if the police announce when a checkpoint is then that's pointless as well.

 

It's absolutely not pointless. Even with them announced police still routinely arrest DUI's at checkpoints.

 

And they are set up every day all over this state and country.

The end does not justify the means. If it did then you and everyone else would be alright with having the police enter a house without cause. Are you OK with that?

 

 

So do you stop at checkpoints, or do you go out of your way to avoid them?

 

It's absolutely not pointless. Even with them announced police still routinely arrest DUI's at checkpoints.

 

And they are set up every day all over this state and country.

 

I've not been stopped at a checkpoint or even seen one in over 2 years.