They don't want to work, if they did they wouldn't be gang bangers in the first place....

 

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I don't agree either. There's just no other options when all avenues for gainful employment are closed. I'm talking good jobs that you can raise a family on, not line cook at McDonald's or sales rep at Footlocker. Institutional poverty is a difficult cycle to break. "Lock 'em all up" theories are great for soundbites, but it doesn't solve the problem at its core.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I don't agree either. There's just no other options when all avenues for gainful employment are closed. I'm talking good jobs that you can raise a family on, not line cook at McDonald's or sales rep at Footlocker. Institutional poverty is a difficult cycle to break. "Lock 'em all up" theories are great for soundbites, but it doesn't solve the problem at its core.

 

That's where ya gotta start. You can't expect to jump into a company with no education (just guessing on that) and be able to support a family. Work hard and work your way up. It's not that difficult.

That's where ya gotta start. You can't expect to jump into a company with no education (just guessing on that) and be able to support a family. Work hard and work your way up. It's not that difficult.

 

That's easier said than done. Especially for someone whose home life as a child had a whole different set of advantages from the start in terms of education and family support, and clear goals in sight about where those advantages could lead them, if used properly. For those with no support, just getting to school five days out of the week is difficult, given the obstacles.

They were featured on one of the Gangland episodes. Pretty nasty group.

 

They would light up the night skies surrounding Cabrini Green.

So what do you suggest we do with all the law abiding gang bangers?

 

There's nothing that can be done. Stay out of their neighborhoods is the best I can tell you.

That's where ya gotta start. You can't expect to jump into a company with no education (just guessing on that) and be able to support a family. Work hard and work your way up. It's not that difficult.

It is difficult if the jobs aren't there. Any serious discussion on this topic also must factor in the loss of factory jobs in the U.S.

It is difficult if the jobs aren't there. Any serious discussion on this topic also must factor in the loss of factory jobs in the U.S.

 

As well as the cylical circumstances surrounding the life and environment of becoming a gang member instead of living the American Dream.

It is difficult if the jobs aren't there. Any serious discussion on this topic also must factor in the loss of factory jobs in the U.S.

 

Why do they have to be factory jobs? There are good jobs in companies like Jim mentioned (McDonald's, Foot Locker), you just have to work hard to obtain them. There's nothing wrong with starting out on the bottom rung of the ladder and working your way up.

Why do they have to be factory jobs? There are good jobs in companies like Jim mentioned (McDonald's, Foot Locker), you just have to work hard to obtain them. There's nothing wrong with starting out on the bottom rung of the ladder and working your way up.

 

You're not going to convince a kid making more money selling drugs, stealing cars and committing burglaries that Mickey D's or Foot Locker is the way to go. Not. Gonna. Happen.

You're not going to convince a kid making more money selling drugs, stealing cars and committing burglaries that Mickey D's or Foot Locker is the way to go. Not. Gonna. Happen.

 

Then what would it matter if there were better starting jobs? You want a better job to start out go to school and get an education. The fact is the "no jobs" is a cop out. There has always been gang problems, even when available jobs wasn't a probably. The fact is these kids have no authority figure growing up. They see their older brothers or friends selling, making tons of cash, driving nice cars, wearing nice cloths, partying. Why would they won't to work, even if they were making $100,000 a year. They can make way more then that gang banging. I'm not blind to the challenges these kids face growing up. I wish they had the advantages I had. The fact is they don't and at some point that has to fall on their parents and their community. The cycle has to change to make a real difference and that isn't going to happen with some good jobs alone.

You're not going to convince a kid making more money selling drugs, stealing cars and committing burglaries that Mickey D's or Foot Locker is the way to go. Not. Gonna. Happen.

 

Which is the point of my first post....They don't want jobs, that's why they're gang bangers. If they cared to work, they'd have went to school or got a job and worked their way up. I'm just saying let's not paint it as the "big bad corporations" are the cause of the problem. It's not their problem, and they shouldn't have to bail out the uneducated scum of society.

Then what would it matter if there were better starting jobs? You want a better job to start out go to school and get an education. The fact is the "no jobs" is a cop out. There has always been gang problems, even when available jobs wasn't a probably. The fact is these kids have no authority figure growing up. They see their older brothers or friends selling, making tons of cash, driving nice cars, wearing nice cloths, partying. Why would they won't to work, even if they were making $100,000 a year. They can make way more then that gang banging. I'm not blind to the challenges these kids face growing up. I wish they had the advantages I had. The fact is they don't and at some point that has to fall on their parents and their community. The cycle has to change to make a real difference and that isn't going to happen with some good jobs alone.

 

 

Wrong person. I never mentioned better jobs as a way to fix it. I'm the exact opposite. It can't be fixed. Your whole post is my exact same logic.

Which is the point of my first post....They don't want jobs, that's why they're gang bangers. If they cared to work, they'd have went to school or got a job and worked their way up. I'm just saying let's not paint it as the "big bad corporations" are the cause of the problem. It's not their problem, and they shouldn't have to bail out the uneducated scum of society.

 

They're gang bangers because they has never been shown a different way to survive. Those dudes know they'll be dead or in jail by the age of 25 and live their lives as such. The corporations aren't the cause of the problem. The government has more of a hand in it than anyone and at this point it will never be fixed. It's all about survival at this point and when the authority figures in these communities are 25 year gang veterans......well...there you have it.

Maybe the "job creators" could invest in our communities the way good American corporate citizens used to.

 

Off-shore is 1/4 the salary. And no social security/medicare match and no mandatory insurance. Not happenin'.

Get the gang classified as a terrorist organization and let the arrests begin. You throw that word "terror" out there and the feds won't even have to bother making a case on any of them.

Could settle it all with a couple hundred Drone Strikes then!!!