May 20, 201313 yr Author Guess you didn't read my post where I said they were right in letting him go. Then why do you compare them? Is it remotely relevant?
May 20, 201313 yr Then why do you compare them? Is it remotely relevant? To simply point out the flawed logic of the people that say Chapman is amazing (you fall squarely in this group btw). Many of them are the same fans that would bash Coco on a consistent basis, and the numbers say Cordero was better at his job as closer than Chapman is.
May 20, 201313 yr So, you're really trying to say you don't place importance on Sv%? Closer is the easiest position in baseball to evaluate. Sv% is the only metric that has any significance at all. You either did the job you were asked to do, or you didn't. It's the most cut & dry, black & white position in baseball. Either you were successful or you weren't. Ok, so if we're taking one bad week away from Chapman each year, I assume we can do that with Cordero too? I mean, these games did really occur, right? They counted, right? SV% isnt that cut and dry, factors that go into it that arent in the pitchers control at all like fielding, how many runs you're spotted etc.. If you look at the stats the pitchers are in control of, Chapman is better in every single one. Sorry you don't know enough about baseball to understand this.
May 20, 201313 yr SV% isnt that cut and dry, factors that go into it that arent in the pitchers control at all like fielding, how many runs you're spotted etc.. If you look at the stats the pitchers are in control of, Chapman is better in every single one. Sorry you don't know enough about baseball to understand this. Silly. :no:
May 20, 201313 yr SV% isnt that cut and dry, factors that go into it that arent in the pitchers control at all like fielding, how many runs you're spotted etc.. If you look at the stats the pitchers are in control of, Chapman is better in every single one. Sorry you don't know enough about baseball to understand this. What is the closer's job? To hold the lead and end the game. Who cares how they go about doing it? Isn't the only thing that matters is that they preserve the win? What you're telling me is that you would say Chapman had a better outing if he entered a game with a 3-2 lead, threw 10 total pitches, struck out three guys on 3 straight each, but in between gave up a game tying HR. He was dominant though. That in your mind is doing your job better than a guy who would come in with a 4-2 lead, goes 3 balls on every batter, load the bases, and gets 3 fly outs to the track, but preserve the 4-3 victory. You'd rather have the Chapman scenario, is that right?
May 20, 201313 yr What is the closer's job? To hold the lead and end the game. Who cares how they go about doing it? Isn't the only thing that matters is that they preserve the win? What you're telling me is that you would say Chapman had a better outing if he entered a game with a 3-2 lead, threw 10 total pitches, struck out three guys on 3 straight each, but in between gave up a game tying HR. He was dominant though. That in your mind is doing your job better than a guy who would come in with a 4-2 lead, goes 3 balls on every batter, load the bases, and gets 3 fly outs to the track, but preserve the 4-3 victory. You'd rather have the Chapman scenario, is that right? You just compared 2 different things... That argument made zero sense. with a 3-2 Lead Id rather have Chapman. with a 4-2 Lead Id rather have Chapman. They both gave up a run. You just proved my point actually.
May 20, 201313 yr Author To simply point out the flawed logic of the people that say Chapman is amazing (you fall squarely in this group btw). Many of them are the same fans that would bash Coco on a consistent basis, and the numbers say Cordero was better at his job as closer than Chapman is. You also said he was amazing. So much so that he should start. So, let's get off the horse here. He shouldn't start, if it's not terribly evident now, it will never be. If he closes the next one with 9 pitches near the century mark and strikes out the side, you won't hear me clamor on about "told you he should close".
May 20, 201313 yr You just compared 2 different things... That argument made zero sense. with a 3-2 Lead Id rather have Chapman. with a 4-2 Lead Id rather have Chapman. They both gave up a run. You just proved my point actually. My point is (and it may have been a poor example), I don't care how dominant a closer is. The ONLY thing that matters is, do they preserve the victory. If they do, they've done they're job. Don't care how nerve-racking it was, how "bad" they looked, or how dominant they were. And the numbers back me up that Cordero was more successful at doing that than Chapman. It's obvious to me we have completely different ideas as to what a closer's duties are, so I'm bowing out of this, as neither of us are going to change the other's mind.
May 20, 201313 yr It's fine him and Big and Wide just ate to many pastries... Pastries to blame for Chapman?s implosion? | Cincinnati Reds “Could you imagine cream cheese and guava on a baked pastry? Well Chapman asked me for a box of 100, two boxes of 50. When I saw him on Sunday morning before the game, he was in the club house, he had just eaten about 18 of them. He couldn’t breathe! I looked at my partner, I said, ‘he’s ripe for the taking today.”
May 20, 201313 yr Also Chapman blew 5 saves last year. Cordero blew 6, 4, 8, 6 in each year he was with the Reds. Chapman also probably blew 3 of those in a 2 weeks time period. He was lights out the first month last year and didn't even close. If he was a closer during that month you wouldn't even have SV% to back your claim up. But agree to disagree
May 20, 201313 yr You also said he was amazing. So much so that he should start. So, let's get off the horse here. He shouldn't start, if it's not terribly evident now, it will never be. If he closes the next one with 9 pitches near the century mark and strikes out the side, you won't hear me clamor on about "told you he should close". More than I think he should start, I don't think he should close. And I'll stand by my statement that he'd be a better 5th starting option than Leake. It's obvious we'll never see who was right while he's a Red though. 3 years from now when he's donning Yankee pinstripes, we'll have to revisit this one.
May 20, 201313 yr It's fine him and Big and Wide just ate to many pastries... Pastries to blame for Chapman?s implosion? | Cincinnati Reds “Could you imagine cream cheese and guava on a baked pastry? Well Chapman asked me for a box of 100, two boxes of 50. When I saw him on Sunday morning before the game, he was in the club house, he had just eaten about 18 of them. He couldn’t breathe! I looked at my partner, I said, ‘he’s ripe for the taking today.” Broxton's gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
May 20, 201313 yr and for onces its not me I'm not disagreeing with him at all. I just don't have time to read all the replies right now.
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