For the record, that shirt would have been a cover-up or send home in JCPS schools with no uniforms (like Manual) or a private school with no uniforms like St Francis.

 

My brother once got sent home for wearing rainbow suspenders and a skirt, just to do it (circa 2002). IMO, he probably would not be sent home for a skirt today, but those rainbow suspenders? They were an affront to decency.

The teacher has also brought this on by acting the way he did. It could have been handled a lot different. Now allt eh bad PUP is the result of a teacher with an attitude of trying to push his agenda.

The only "agenda" of teachers is to keep order. If we start telling our youngsters that it's OK to disrespect authority -- that the "issue of the day" trumps respect for authority -- then we're going to start seeing a lot of kids drop out of school so they can sit at home and smoke dope and watch reruns of Sarah Palin's reality show.

This needs to laid at the feet of weak administrators, either the teacher was right and you hold all of the other teachers accountable for not calling this out prior to the 5th or 6th class of the day or, you look at the shirt and tell the teacher that it does not break the schools current dress code which appears to be the case.

 

A good strong Administrator could have nipped this in the bud, but they did not.

This needs to laid at the feet of weak administrators, either the teacher was right and you hold all of the other teachers accountable for not calling this out prior to the 5th or 6th class of the day or, you look at the shirt and tell the teacher that it does not break the schools current dress code which appears to be the case.

 

A good strong Administrator could have nipped this in the bud, but they did not.

Pretty sure making a show of calling out the other teachers would not have prevented this from being a front page story on Fox's website.

The only "agenda" of teachers is to keep order. If we start telling our youngsters that it's OK to disrespect authority -- that the "issue of the day" trumps respect for authority -- then we're going to start seeing a lot of kids drop out of school so they can sit at home and smoke dope and watch reruns of Sarah Palin's reality show.

 

It isnt ok to disrespect authority, but it also isnt right for a teacher to push his agenda on a student either. If the kid had a gun with an X on it would the teacher say to take it off.

 

The kid and his hair being combed the wrong way is more of a distraction than the gun.

What's absurd about disciplining a middle-school kid for disrespecting a teacher, a school administrator and a police officer? The real issue here is disrespect, not free speech. The kid's old man is part of the problem, too. First thing he does is hire a lawyer.

We don't know enough about the story to say anyone is totally in the wrong, that's why I said "if" we're seeing all that happened. If it is, it's totally absurd to arrest the kid.

 

Yes, he hired a lawyer. The claim was he didn't want his son's record blemished. If this was the fault of poor school policy, you can't blame the father for that.

The only "agenda" of teachers is to keep order. If we start telling our youngsters that it's OK to disrespect authority -- that the "issue of the day" trumps respect for authority -- then we're going to start seeing a lot of kids drop out of school so they can sit at home and smoke dope and watch reruns of Sarah Palin's reality show.

Come on now, that's not true of all teachers. Most - yes. All - no.

I don't see anyone on here telling our kids to disrespect authority. You'll have to point that out to me.

So...what you're insinuating here is that all dope smoking dropouts are right wingers enamored with Sarah Palin? :lol2:

We don't know enough about the story to say anyone is totally in the wrong, that's why I said "if" we're seeing all that happened. If it is, it's totally absurd to arrest the kid.

The arrest is the problem I have the least problem with, actually.

 

Let's say that the teacher made a big issue out of the shirt, and that the kid never did anything except quietly refuse--in other words, paint the kid in the best possible light. Even if the kid disagrees with the teacher and has a point, resistance to legitimate authority has to have consequences. If he organized a sit-in protest against, I dunno, displaying the Ten Commandments, I would have the same opinion; part of civil disobedience is getting arrested.

 

Obviously, if the kid wasn't an angel (I kind of doubt any riled-up 8th grader is) then an arrest becomes even more justifiable, especially in light of many school districts zero tolerance policies... but zero tolerance is a whole other can of worms.

The arrest is the problem I have the least problem with, actually.

 

Let's say that the teacher made a big issue out of the shirt, and that the kid never did anything except quietly refuse--in other words, paint the kid in the best possible light. Even if the kid disagrees with the teacher and has a point, resistance to legitimate authority has to have consequences. If he organized a sit-in protest against, I dunno, displaying the Ten Commandments, I would have the same opinion; part of civil disobedience is getting arrested.

 

Obviously, if the kid wasn't an angel (I kind of doubt any riled-up 8th grader is) then an arrest becomes even more justifiable, especially in light of many school districts zero tolerance policies... but zero tolerance is a whole other can of worms.

Sorry, but unless the kid became combative and unruly, an arrest is stupid. Send him to the principle's office and call the parents to come get him.

Sorry, but unless the kid became combative and unruly, an arrest is stupid. Send him to the principle's office and call the parents to come get him.

He was sent to the principal's office, where he again resisted.

 

One of the counts was for obstructing an officer. I'm pretty sure you don't get that one just because your teacher doesn't like you.

Come on now, that's not true of all teachers. Most - yes. All - no.

I don't see anyone on here telling our kids to disrespect authority. You'll have to point that out to me.

So...what you're insinuating here is that all dope smoking dropouts are right wingers enamored with Sarah Palin? :lol2:

I think I read in one article the kid wants to join the military after high school. That is laudable. My question is this: Does the lad hurt or help his chances of a military career by disrespecting authority? Also, and I don't believe this has been mentioned before, perhaps the teacher who blew the whistle did so because the sleeves on the gun shirt looked cut off, a possible violation of the dress code, while the message on the shirt was not.

 

Personally, I believe the youngster got into this fix because of his father. If I were the judge in WVA, I'd throw the old man into the hoosegow for 48 hours so he could contemplate the effects of raising a teen who doesn't respect authority.

Come on now, that's not true of all teachers. Most - yes. All - no.

I don't see anyone on here telling our kids to disrespect authority. You'll have to point that out to me.

So...what you're insinuating here is that all dope smoking dropouts are right wingers enamored with Sarah Palin? :lol2:

I would be willing to bet that the teacher who blew the whistle on the lad also is a supporter of gun rights and the 2nd Amendment.

I think I read in one article the kid wants to join the military after high school. That is laudable. My question is this: Does the lad hurt or help his chances of a military career by disrespecting authority? Also, and I don't believe this has been mentioned before, perhaps the teacher who blew the whistle did so because the sleeves on the gun shirt looked cut off, a possible violation of the dress code, while the message on the shirt was not.

 

Personally, I believe the youngster got into this fix because of his father. If I were the judge in WVA, I'd throw the old man into the hoosegow for 48 hours so he could contemplate the effects of raising a teen who doesn't respect authority.

On what possible charge?

Yes, he hired a lawyer. The claim was he didn't want his son's record blemished. If this was the fault of poor school policy, you can't blame the father for that.

I agree! Some want to blame the kid (who has an good record at the school) and his dad? THAT is laughable! Some say "Well there must be more to the story, the kid had to have been out of control or something", Well, PROVE IT! I'd hire a laywer too, the arrest is unbelievable! I think we have seen more than enough things involving stupid teachers and administrators.

 

As Jumper Dad stated, a good administrator would have stopped this either way in the beginning and we never would have heard of the issue.

On what possible charge?

Many school districts haul parents to court when their kids are frequently truant. So there's precedent there. In addition, I noticed in reading Highlands' dress code that parents as well as students are responsible for what the kids wear. So there's another precedent.

 

If the old man put the kid up to this, then I think he could be charged with being a mental midget -- or perhaps conspiracy to force a minor to commit a disruptive act.