As in doesn't fit their liberal agenda?

 

You would be wrong.

 

Here's a case where a kid wore an anti-gay shirt to school, and had the ACLU behind him.

 

The ACLU is an advocacy organization in favor of civil liberties. Full stop.

 

If you are attempting to say that the ACLU does not lean Left, you would be wrong, in a big way.

If you are attempting to say that the ACLU does not lean Left, you would be wrong, in a big way.

Are you really calling me out after you were wrong? It's a bold tactic.

 

The ACLU is a proudly progressive organization. Protecting and expanding civil liberties is part of the political heritage of the left. My point was that it does fit their liberal agenda to protect free speech, even when they don't agree with the content of that speech.

Are you really calling me out after you were wrong? It's a bold tactic.

 

The ACLU is a proudly progressive organization. Protecting and expanding civil liberties is part of the political heritage of the left. My point was that it does fit their liberal agenda to protect free speech, even when they don't agree with the content of that speech.

 

Yes, I would be. So, I guess when they join in threatening legal actions against various organizations due to public prayer, they are defending the First Amendment and freedom of religion?

Your hate speech seems to be in full swing. Just like those you disagree with.

"Full swing"? Knock me over with a feather. Not a "hateful" word in post No. 88.

Yes, I would be. So, I guess when they join in threatening legal actions against various organizations due to public prayer, they are defending the First Amendment and freedom of religion?

Public prayer is protected speech, and the ACLU has fought in favor of allowing religious expression.

 

The ACLU and Freedom of Religion and Belief | American Civil Liberties Union:

 

 

The ACLU has supported the right of people to preach their religion in public places and to go door-to-door to spread their religious messages. The Constitution properly protects the right of religious figures to preach their messages over the public airwaves. Religious books, magazines, and newspapers are freely published and delivered through the U.S. Postal System. No other industrialized democracy has as much religion in the public square as does the United States.

 

Some people, however, mistakenly use the word "public" when they really mean "governmental. "This can be seen, for example, with Ten Commandments monuments. The right of churches and families to erect such monuments on their own property is constitutionally protected, regardless of whether it is public or private and regardless of whether someone is offended or not. A Christian cross that is fully visible from a public sidewalk is constitutionally protected when placed in front of a church. But if that same cross were moved across the street and placed in front of city hall, it would violate the Constitution. The issue is not "religion in the public square" - as the rhetoric misleadingly suggests - but whether the government should be deciding whose sacred texts and symbols should be placed on government property and whose should be rejected.

 

On prayer in schools:

 

 

First, children are free to pray in public schools either as individuals or in groups. In addition, whenever a teacher opens up an assignment topic for the children's choice (such as which book to read, what to discuss in a talk to the class, or which song to sing), students may choose religious themes - and the ACLU has protected their right to do so. (Learn More) In addition, schools may offer courses about religion or about the Bible or other religious works.

 

There are, however, two difficulties to which all should be aware. First, public schools themselves should not be in the business of promoting particular religious beliefs or religious activities. While it is permissible for public schools to teach about religion, it is not permissible to promote particular religious beliefs. Although public schools should not be leading children in prayers or religious ceremonies, they should also be respectful of the religious beliefs of students. Second, public schools should protect children from being coerced by others to accept religious (or anti-religious!) beliefs. Public schools should seek to create an environment conducive to learning by all students and not act as vehicles proselytizing for religious or anti-religious beliefs.

 

Notice how they go out of their way to mention that evangelical atheism is just as off-limits?

 

How does that grab you?

 

The ACLU believes that the religious education of children should be directed primarily by parents, families, and religious communities - and not the public schools. They are, in fact, public schools and not Sunday schools.

 

Thanks, Obama. Now what are we supposed to do with our atheist/Islamic sleeper agents in the teaching profession? All that teacher student loan debt forgiven for nothing!

 

 

But, for real, the ACLU is great.

 

Here's a list of over 100 high profile cases since 2001 where the ACLU has defended religious civil liberties.

 

 

Here's a list of actions of only defending the religious civil liberties of students. It has its own section!

"Full swing"? Knock me over with a feather. Not a "hateful" word in post No. 88.

"In recent years the ACLU has defended Rush Limbaugh, Nazis' right to free speech,"

 

So you don't consider likening Limbaugh/his speech Nazi like hate speech?

 

BTW, not a fan of Limbaugh, Hannity, Shultz, Maddow, etc. I do think Limbaugh is far from a Nazi or Nazi like.

Public prayer is protected speech, and the ACLU has fought in favor of allowing religious expression.

 

The ACLU and Freedom of Religion and Belief | American Civil Liberties Union:

 

 

 

 

On prayer in schools:

 

 

 

 

Notice how they go out of their way to mention that evangelical atheism is just as off-limits?

 

How does that grab you?

 

 

 

Thanks, Obama. Now what are we supposed to do with our atheist/Islamic sleeper agents in the teaching profession? All that teacher student loan debt forgiven for nothing!

 

 

But, for real, the ACLU is great.

 

Here's a list of over 100 high profile cases since 2001 where the ACLU has defended religious civil liberties.

 

 

Here's a list of actions of only defending the religious civil liberties of students. It has its own section!

 

Here are just as many examples of the opposite.

 

ACLU Outrages | The American Civil Rights Union

"In recent years the ACLU has defended Rush Limbaugh, Nazis' right to free speech,"

 

So you don't consider likening Limbaugh/his speech Nazi like hate speech?

 

BTW, not a fan of Limbaugh, Hannity, Shultz, Maddow, etc. I do think Limbaugh is far from a Nazi or Nazi like.

Are you deliberately misquoting him? He was listing people and organizations that the ACLU has defended in recent years. His list could have just as easily have been a in a different order and said:

 

In recent years the ACLU has defended Christmas, Nazis' right to free speech, Chick-fil-A and Rush Limbaugh.

 

Would you then accuse him of calling Christmas a Nazi?

Here are just as many examples of the opposite.

 

ACLU Outrages | The American Civil Rights Union

Not a single thing I saw on there contradicts what I wrote.

 

Did you read those?

 

The very first case listed is one where the ACLU was fighting for the religious rights of prisoners, so that kind of doesn't help your case.

 

If all you have is "the ACLU doesn't like 10 Commandment Monument" stories, then we're done here. They don't like them, and I even provided their explanation of why.

 

What you asserted was false: that the ACLU doesn't protect students' free speech when that speech conflicts with liberal orthodoxy. I have demonstrated that is false, several times now.

 

You then erroneously stated that the ACLU attacks public prayer. They don't. They defend public prayer.