It means if Obama wants to take away my guns, he can come get them, I welcome him to come try, because Barry won't make it out with any of them. In the meantime, his two little free loaders eating off taxpayer money are protected by guns.

You don't really help yourself or the point your trying to make with comments like this...stick to the facts and drop the commentary.

 

First Families are protected by the SS and live at tax payer expense, doesn't matter which side they are on that the nature of the position.

You don't really help yourself or the point your trying to make with comments like this...stick to the facts and drop the commentary.

 

First Families are protected by the SS and live at tax payer expense, doesn't matter which side they are on that the nature of the position.

 

What is good for one is good for all IMO, if the liberals are for taking away guns, then they shouldn't have them or any need for protection because they took away the guns. His kids are no more important than mine. I should be able to protect mine.

 

 

More proof that is is not about the children....

It means if Obama wants to take away my guns, he can come get them, I welcome him to come try, because Barry won't make it out with any of them. In the meantime, his two little free loaders eating off taxpayer money are protected by guns.

 

Friendly, friendly advice. You cannot make threats against the POTUS. People in DC pay attention to online posts that are threatening. They don't joke around.

 

Secondly, you dont mean it. You're not going to do any physical harm.

Friendly, friendly advice. You cannot make threats against the POTUS. People in DC pay attention to online posts that are threatening. They don't joke around.

 

Secondly, you dont mean it. You're not going to do any physical harm.

 

 

While I liked your advise and post, you did somewhat bait him into his response. As soon as read your post, I predicted ref's response (and my guess is you did too). Forget Clizzy. Your nickname is the Master Baiter.

 

 

More proof that is is not about the children....

 

 

It really reads like the Stamp Act that was a major trigger for the Revolution against the British.

 

Millions of law-abiding citizens do their best to comply with laws. But with laws become so intrusive and hard to follow then it makes all of society subject to criminal prosecution.

 

Because big cities can not control their crime they then hold off society accountable. And with bans without grandfather clauses on magazines of a certain capacity lots of people will breaking the law. Even with grandfather clauses since you would have to prove you owned the mags before the law - good luck there - so same effect. And with bans on rifles that operate just like ones that are supposedly legal anyone with a standard hunting rifle is suspect. After all, mechanically there is no difference between a 'standard' hunting rifle and a 'Josh Sugermann defined assault rifle'.

 

The response to this should: 'As you are aware gun violence is concentrated in poor neighborhoods overrun with illegal activity. If the LA mayor, City prosecutor Anne Tremblay, and the LA police department did their job there would be a lot less gun violence....Please help make Los Angeles a safer community by doing your job.'

Strict background checks and proof of mental health (paid for by the potential gun owner)

Proof of safety training provided within 30 days of purchase of a fire arm, and annual proof of "recertification". And that applies for each type of gun you may have (ie hand gun training, vs. rifle training vs. shotgun training for instance)

Automatic charges triggered when an "accidental" shooting occurs. At a minimum, I'd like to see criminal negligence charges.

I favor gun-free zones where children are educated

I favor restriction of firearms in places where children are entertained (zoo, library, parks, etc.)

 

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

 

I really don't have an opinion on the ammo issue. I don't personally see why one would need a big magazine, but I'm don't really care if they own it, if they pass the

I could go for registration, but feel that with the above in place, it isn't really as necessary

 

I share your anger towards the negligent keeping of guns causing deaths and injuries of children. Other than laziness and irresponsibility, there is no reason that should happen. But I don't think we can or should single out death and injuries caused by negligent keeping of firearms. The mother who causes her child's death by leaving the child in a car on a very hot day is no less culpable for the death than a gun owner who leaves a loaded gun where a child can gain access. Neither is a parent that allows a child to ride in car without a seat belt. Nor is a parent that allow a child athlete to take steroids. Nor is a parent that allows a child to consume alcohol or drugs. Etc. etc. All are equally irresponsible actions by a parent. As long as your position towards irresponsible adults is not limited to gun owners, I've got no disagreement with it.

 

And while we all, at a distance, have anger towards the adult or parent that causes a child's death or injury as a result of the adult's or parent's negligent or irresponsible conduct and think the adult or parent should face prosecution and jail time, when we are closer to the situation and see the often permanent mental and physical anguish and pain suffered by that adult or parent, we tend to temper our anger. I'd venture that the anguish and pain that adult or parent is going to feel for the rest of his/her life is a much, much greater punishment than spending a year or more in prison.

 

We are all human, which means we all make mistakes during our lives. I have and I'm sure you probably have too.

I share your anger towards the negligent keeping of guns causing deaths and injuries of children. Other than laziness and irresponsibility, there is no reason that should happen. But I don't think we can or should single out death and injuries caused by negligent keeping of firearms. The mother who causes her child's death by leaving the child in a car on a very hot day is no less culpable for the death than a gun owner who leaves a loaded gun where a child can gain access. Neither is a parent that allows a child to ride in car without a seat belt. Nor is a parent that allow a child athlete to take steroids. Nor is a parent that allows a child to consume alcohol or drugs. Etc. etc. All are equally irresponsible actions by a parent. As long as your position towards irresponsible adults is not limited to gun owners, I've got no disagreement with it.

 

And while we all, at a distance, have anger towards the adult or parent that causes a child's death or injury as a result of the adult's or parent's negligent or irresponsible conduct and think the adult or parent should face prosecution and jail time, when we are closer to the situation and see the often permanent mental and physical anguish and pain suffered by that adult or parent, we tend to temper our anger. I'd venture that the anguish and pain that adult or parent is going to feel for the rest of his/her life is a much, much greater punishment than spending a year or more in prison.

 

We are all human, which means we all make mistakes during our lives. I have and I'm sure you probably have too.

 

This.

I share your anger towards the negligent keeping of guns causing deaths and injuries of children. Other than laziness and irresponsibility, there is no reason that should happen. But I don't think we can or should single out death and injuries caused by negligent keeping of firearms. The mother who causes her child's death by leaving the child in a car on a very hot day is no less culpable for the death than a gun owner who leaves a loaded gun where a child can gain access. Neither is a parent that allows a child to ride in car without a seat belt. Nor is a parent that allow a child athlete to take steroids. Nor is a parent that allows a child to consume alcohol or drugs. Etc. etc. All are equally irresponsible actions by a parent. As long as your position towards irresponsible adults is not limited to gun owners, I've got no disagreement with it.

 

And while we all, at a distance, have anger towards the adult or parent that causes a child's death or injury as a result of the adult's or parent's negligent or irresponsible conduct and think the adult or parent should face prosecution and jail time, when we are closer to the situation and see the often permanent mental and physical anguish and pain suffered by that adult or parent, we tend to temper our anger. I'd venture that the anguish and pain that adult or parent is going to feel for the rest of his/her life is a much, much greater punishment than spending a year or more in prison.

 

We are all human, which means we all make mistakes during our lives. I have and I'm sure you probably have too.

 

I'm sorry. But I feel very strongly that ones children's safety is paramount among parental responsibilities. I cannot drum up any level of sympathy for their anguish that overrides the anger I feel toward their lack of responsibility in the storage of a firearm. It's absolutely, 100% irresponsible. A gun in the hands of an unattended child is not just a bad idea, it's a disaster. I feel the same way about people who forget their children in the car at any time. And both are criminal to me. Not just unfortunate tragedies. It's not a "mistake".

 

I agree we're all human, and make mistakes. And yes, I've made more than my fair share. But, one thing I have NEVER done is put my children's lives in danger. EVER. Once I became a parent, my kids were everything to me. I didn't molly coddle them, but I never allowed them to be in a dangerous situation. Like I said, I will readily admit to an (probably) inordinate number of other mistakes. And I paid for them. Not the jail kind of mistakes, but other mistakes that cost me dearly in other ways. I'm not looking for sympathy or a "pass". Some I will pay for the rest of my life. But, that's the price I pay for the mistake I made.

I'm sorry. But I feel very strongly that ones children's safety is paramount among parental responsibilities. I cannot drum up any level of sympathy for their anguish that overrides the anger I feel toward their lack of responsibility in the storage of a firearm. It's absolutely, 100% irresponsible. A gun in the hands of an unattended child is not just a bad idea, it's a disaster. I feel the same way about people who forget their children in the car at any time. And both are criminal to me. Not just unfortunate tragedies. It's not a "mistake".

 

I agree we're all human, and make mistakes. And yes, I've made more than my fair share. But, one thing I have NEVER done is put my children's lives in danger. EVER. Once I became a parent, my kids were everything to me. I didn't molly coddle them, but I never allowed them to be in a dangerous situation. Like I said, I will readily admit to an (probably) inordinate number of other mistakes. And I paid for them. Not the jail kind of mistakes, but other mistakes that cost me dearly in other ways. I'm not looking for sympathy or a "pass". Some I will pay for the rest of my life. But, that's the price I pay for the mistake I made.

 

Nothing to be sorry about. Your belief about prosecuting an adult/parent for his/her negligent actions causing the death of a child are evidently consistent. Doesn't matter if the negligent, irresponsible action was leaving a loaded gun where a child got access or if a parent left it's child in a car on a hot day, etc. I can respect that.

 

We might disagree on whether those negligent actions are always criminal, but that's okay. It's probably the lawyer and former prosecutor in me that causes us to differ on that point. One thing is for certain though: you very likely never have to worry about being on a jury in a criminal case where an adult's negligent actions caused the death of a child.

It means if Obama wants to take away my guns, he can come get them, I welcome him to come try, because Barry won't make it out with any of them. In the meantime, his two little free loaders eating off taxpayer money are protected by guns.

 

LOL....This is funny! Are you really this bitter over politics to speak ill of his children? This is what's wrong with this country! You have your views and others have theirs, but to take it this far is out there.