I don't like the idea of the military-style semi-automatics. In reality I can only think of headlines involving them that indicate their destruction was deliberate. As others have pointed out, those with ill intent will get their hands on them no matter what. But hand guns are completely different.

How many of the murders committed with firearms were committed with firearms with high capacity magazines?

 

No clue. It seems irrelevant as I asked a simple question.

 

Seems like we can easily allow for the 2nd Amendment (which I support) without allowing for the high capacity magazines.

 

Is there a good argument for them other than the proposed "slippery slope?"

The high capacity magazines will be possessed by the bad guys whether it's legal or not.

 

This thinking always baffles me. If we're basing what items/actions/substances should be legal upon actions taken by criminals would we ever have anything that was deemed to be illegal?

I do see WAY too many kids biking without a helmet.

Did you wear a helmet when you rode your bike? I didn't, nor did anyone I grew up with. Most kids only do so when they're really young.

For all of you that are pushing for more gun control and/or capacity limitations I'll re-post what I posted in another thread.

 

Norway has among the toughest gun laws on the planet, not to mention, a reputation for having among the most peaceful citizens on the planet.

But that didn't stop Anders Breivik from going on a rampage that left 77 dead, that's right 77 in 2011.

The same year Nordine Amrani murdered seven in Belgium.

Or 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer walked into a German elementary school and killed 15 people in 2009.

Or a 52-year-old British taxi driver named Derrick Bird butchered 12 and injured 11 others in a four-hour violent spree back in 2010.

Barely a year after Ibrahim Shkupolli stabbed and killed his ex-girlfriend, then went on to a shopping mall in Finland to kill four others.

...the same otherwise "peaceful" Finland, where only about a year earlier, a 22-year old culinary arts student walked into a school and killed 10 people.

 

I could go on

...the Birmingham, England man who killed three back in 2000.

...the Swiss kid who slaughtered 14 at the parliament in Zug in 2001.

...the 29-year-old who killed 11 and injured 6 in South Africa.

...the Slovakian man who killed 7 in a Netherlands shopping mall in 2011.

...or the 23-year-old Australian surfer named Martin Bryant, who shot dead 35 people at a popular tourist attraction there "just because he felt like it" that day.

 

Cavuto: Gun violence isn't unique to the US

 

Point is, no matter how much you think you're going to control it....you're not.

For all of you that are pushing for more gun control and/or capacity limitations I'll re-post what I posted in another thread.

 

Norway has among the toughest gun laws on the planet, not to mention, a reputation for having among the most peaceful citizens on the planet.

But that didn't stop Anders Breivik from going on a rampage that left 77 dead, that's right 77 in 2011.

The same year Nordine Amrani murdered seven in Belgium.

Or 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer walked into a German elementary school and killed 15 people in 2009.

Or a 52-year-old British taxi driver named Derrick Bird butchered 12 and injured 11 others in a four-hour violent spree back in 2010.

Barely a year after Ibrahim Shkupolli stabbed and killed his ex-girlfriend, then went on to a shopping mall in Finland to kill four others.

...the same otherwise "peaceful" Finland, where only about a year earlier, a 22-year old culinary arts student walked into a school and killed 10 people.

 

I could go on

...the Birmingham, England man who killed three back in 2000.

...the Swiss kid who slaughtered 14 at the parliament in Zug in 2001.

...the 29-year-old who killed 11 and injured 6 in South Africa.

...the Slovakian man who killed 7 in a Netherlands shopping mall in 2011.

...or the 23-year-old Australian surfer named Martin Bryant, who shot dead 35 people at a popular tourist attraction there "just because he felt like it" that day.

 

Cavuto: Gun violence isn't unique to the US

 

Point is, no matter how much you think you're going to control it....you're not.

 

I don't think anyone who questions the high-capacity issue thinks it will lead to zero incidents. I also do not think that simply because it will not lead to zero incidents means we shouldn't consider their necessity.

This thinking always baffles me. If we're basing what items/actions/substances should be legal upon actions taken by criminals would we ever have anything that was deemed to be illegal?

 

When it comes to safety from dangerous people it completely applies. Drugs are illegal but law abiding citizens don't have them cause bad guys do, cause they don't need drugs to protect themselves from those with drugs.

RTS, I'm not familiar with stats on how many people legally defended themselves with AK7's or weapons with high capacity magazines. That may help me see your side. The fact that these types of weapons are sold is disturbing to me. Help me understand a "need" for such weapons from a personal safety perspective.

When it comes to safety from dangerous people it completely applies. Drugs are illegal but law abiding citizens don't have them cause bad guys do, cause they don't need drugs to protect themselves from those with drugs.

 

Based upon your logic no gun or weapon should be illegal because criminals will have them.

But based on your logic, only old fashioned 6-shooters should be legal and that would make the criminals only carry 6-shooters...

 

As far as AK47's. I don't know anyone who owns one. I know A LOTof people, including myself that own AR's. Some people just enjoy the hobby of shooting. It doesn't make them crazy or paranoid or anything of the sort.

But based on your logic, only old fashioned 6-shooters should be legal and that would make the criminals only carry 6-shooters...

 

As far as AK47's. I don't know anyone who owns one. I know A LOTof people, including myself that own AR's. Some people just enjoy the hobby of shooting. It doesn't make them crazy or paranoid or anything of the sort.

 

All I've done is question high-capacity magazines so I'm not sure how you make the "6-shooter" comment.

 

No one said that there is a link to craziness and owning a weapon like an AR.

 

All I've asked is why we need such weapons. All I've gotten so far is "because criminals will have them." Is that the only reason?

But based on your logic, only old fashioned 6-shooters should be legal and that would make the criminals only carry 6-shooters...

 

As far as AK47's. I don't know anyone who owns one. I know A LOTof people, including myself that own AR's. Some people just enjoy the hobby of shooting. It doesn't make them crazy or paranoid or anything of the sort.

Here ya go clizzy

 

I enjoy shooting my AR. And anytime I take friends or my wife's friends and family, they absolutely love shooting it. It's not my weapon of choice for home defense. I'm more of a Mossberg 500 guy

Did you wear a helmet when you rode your bike? I didn't, nor did anyone I grew up with. Most kids only do so when they're really young.

 

I didn't but I do now, every time. Nobody did when I was growing up. But as my Mom said, they didn't have seatbelts in cars for a long time either. It used to be commonplace to smoke when you were pregnant too. We have gotten smarter and know the risks plus the preventative measures you can take. Wearing a helmet while biking isn't just safe, it's incredibly smart and easy to do.

 

My kids WILL wear a helmet if they want to bike.

For all of you that are pushing for more gun control and/or capacity limitations I'll re-post what I posted in another thread.

 

Norway has among the toughest gun laws on the planet, not to mention, a reputation for having among the most peaceful citizens on the planet.

But that didn't stop Anders Breivik from going on a rampage that left 77 dead, that's right 77 in 2011.

The same year Nordine Amrani murdered seven in Belgium.

Or 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer walked into a German elementary school and killed 15 people in 2009.

Or a 52-year-old British taxi driver named Derrick Bird butchered 12 and injured 11 others in a four-hour violent spree back in 2010.

Barely a year after Ibrahim Shkupolli stabbed and killed his ex-girlfriend, then went on to a shopping mall in Finland to kill four others.

...the same otherwise "peaceful" Finland, where only about a year earlier, a 22-year old culinary arts student walked into a school and killed 10 people.

 

I could go on

...the Birmingham, England man who killed three back in 2000.

...the Swiss kid who slaughtered 14 at the parliament in Zug in 2001.

...the 29-year-old who killed 11 and injured 6 in South Africa.

...the Slovakian man who killed 7 in a Netherlands shopping mall in 2011.

...or the 23-year-old Australian surfer named Martin Bryant, who shot dead 35 people at a popular tourist attraction there "just because he felt like it" that day.

 

Cavuto: Gun violence isn't unique to the US

 

Point is, no matter how much you think you're going to control it....you're not.

That's 189 deaths over 12 years in eight gun control countries.

 

2011 deaths by gun fire in the U.S. alone: 8,775 :eek:

RTS, I'm not familiar with stats on how many people legally defended themselves with AK7's or weapons with high capacity magazines. That may help me see your side. The fact that these types of weapons are sold is disturbing to me. Help me understand a "need" for such weapons from a personal safety perspective.

1. What is about the AK that bothers you? Is it the look?

 

2. Why do we have a "need" for most things? Why do we need so many types of coffee? Why do we need coffee? It isn't good for you. Why do we need fast, expensive cars? Why do we need casinos? Why do we need so many types of beer, bourbon, wine? Why do we need to have alcohol at all? I can do this all day....