SilverShadow

Ignorance is bliss!:thumb: The basis of the study released by the Bush Administration had a foundation point to advocate an academic advantage for vouchers. Their study failed to obtain that foundation point. Good words to use "you public people" shall we call you something of reference in return? You paint a wide brush of fiscal irresponsibility. Are you really claiming such exists in private schools better than public schools?:lol: And as stated many times before, the general public underwrites the private school industry more than you give it credit for. But, why bother trying to explain with assumptions being held as hard facts.

It was the Bush Administration, lead by Sec. Spellings that released the report. Releasing it under mandatory reporting deadlines, I might add. It was the Bush Adminstration, lead by Sec. Spellings that started and created the report. Laying blame or pointing out the facts. As for Democrat, Obama and Edwards both have referenced it many times. Republican, Thompson had a press conference on its release, Gulianni made note to it. Hope this helps your misunderstanding of the matter.

Of course he didn't hear about it because it was not really touted to a high degree. The Bush leadership did not want to make that point with it. But, its OK the information is out there. Regarding KS, it is easy to operate under false assumptions and preconceived facts. The portion of the population that has to attack one to justify the other is typically the loudest but always the most in error. Can't wait to hear the dispute from KS on the academic performance facts. With that a :sleep: is appropriate.

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This is funny stuff. Issues about a freshman player is the problem?! Then underachievment according to the brossart athletic leader. Perhaps most of it has to do with the fact that prima donna "select" athletes are not really select when you get right down to it, or they fail to develop or they fail to work. Doesn't matter. A couple of years ago, CCHS was in the region final with a group of underachieving talent and pressed hard on Harrison in the final before losing. My bet on the Camels over the coming years will be a good payoff.

I think you are confused.

Try reading again. Offset does not mean collect. The state offsets the amount based on the local revenue. But you should already know that. You should already know the way it is done. What is your point. My point is simple, there are districts that underwrite a whole bunch of other districts. And some of those districts, Pendleton for instance with valuation on the books at $500 per acre, is a joke to say they suffer funding issues and get a higher per student rate from the state when a homeowner in Ft. Thomas has a $300K tax valuation and has to fork out its high tax rate locally. You are incorrect about the amount local districts can tax. Local districts can raise 4% annually. Anything higher is subject to voter recall but can be done if the local district accepts. See Ft. Thomas and Beechwood districts for example.

Utility taxes are local sources. Property taxes are local which are offset by the state and redistributed to "poor" tax base districts. As leatherneck correctly posted, especially those poor overtaxed farmers who are taxed at $200 per acre of value assessment! I think every district in NorKY that has utility tax would give it up today if they could receive the state average of funding in return. If the district your in does not have a utility tax that is a local choice. You should not hold issue against those who chose to support their local schools instead of wanting the state to do more than its fair share.

A study three years ago by the Christian Science Monitor and maybe Indianna University (not sure of exact research school) and then most recent Department of Education, which took lead of this study and found the same conclusions over the most recent years. I suspect there may be motive to isolate the original study conclusion but the results were consistent over the subsequent years. As to search of academics in NorKY, it would be nice if the entire NorKY public school community would form a cooperative International Bac. program that can be shared and available to participating public schools. That would lock up the brain talent.

I don't but I simply wish to remind those who are so critical of KERA need to be mindful of the outcomes of KERA. The largest and most significant is funding. A handful of school district areas has supported the vast majority of the state for nearly 2 decades. Get rid of it, fine. But I think it is unfair to say "oh, but we want the money allocation to stay the same".

Others expressed this before. I think you will find the following school districts in Northern KY to be supportive of your idea: Beechwood, Ft. Thomas, Kenton, Campbell and Boone. Since you are discussing the failing of KERA and these are the lowest in the state in funding due to KERA, I think these districts look forward to having their funding more than doubled and still only be slightly above the state average. For the other districts, it would mean a cut of around 30% or more. Thanks to KERA, the above schools have underwritten the reast of the area for some time. Any chance of a refund check?

Leather, I disagree with private becoming college prep, especially in light of most recent data even the Bush Administration had to stand behind. The fact is, in core content instruction of science and math, scores among public school students and private schools actually had a measurable better result in the public school. Now, I know that flies in the face of what many would hold dear but I do ask to consider the advocate source, that being the Bush Administration, Secretary Spellings who had been advocating private school choice. Their own internal study really gutted the perception of private being better than public. Also, you may be surprised to know the past year, China has significantly studied and reviewed NCLB and is actually making strides against its prior sort/select society. The basis which they make this on is the significant productivity value of an educated population instead of a limited number. India has also made steps to the same thought. England, for the first time and with tax increase is providing bus service for its students. So, don't be ready to abandon ship on the public education front just yet. Remember, the worst educated child in America would still be more educated than 90% of the rest of the world. Your thoughts are very similar and you may find interest in the common school system of Norway. Very similar to your suggestions. The program has many advocates and the country has established significant results in its education status. To proactively change a system I would suggest a few that would ring the lighting bolts of Zeus. One, tenure would need to be changed. I would suggest tenure of status for every 4 years to be renewed. Far too many teachers and frankly, the profession hides its worst behind this shield. A good teacher may be good in the classroom. Allow me to ask, how do you make that case for good teacher instead of a great teacher? Further, allow the retirement system altered so school districts can truly keep the best after retirement and allow significant compensation for them instead of silly 100 day contracts. One other measure, establish a test model that follows a students learning year after year. Now a group year after year. What a 5th grade learns is important to know when the student is in 6th grade, not what the next 5th grade class learns. Off that, be prepared to deal with the problems of instruction where it will be statistically shown where a teacher is not doing the job. Back to tenure. Thanks

It would be a very long post. So many points but will hit a couple. I fail to see in our "flat" world, long "tail" or whatever buzz word to talk about commerce and opportunities, that such opportunities could well be excluded by a sort/select system. Bear in mind, many teachers are outstanding. But, I would NEVER accept the prognosis of education opportunity or predetermined availability by a teacher. That is not their job. Their job should be to excel past the student desire and limitation not pick and choose. That is one. Further, we are a society of over 50% divorce, absent parent household (most due to drug use), etc. It is without question these circumstances warrant a hard impact on educational outcomes. The sort/select would significantly impact this group. Children who by no choice or circumstance of their own would be statistically targeted without any real measure or chance to excel past their frame of reference. Lastly, for now anyway is the inherit bias of the sort/select done by school systems. How many times is reference made to who a child's parent is. There are teachers who reference the child's parent, make predetermined judgements and frankly, assumes a bias (both good and bad) without any real frame of reference. NCLB in its core and the core I like, said STOP. Every child has a guaranteed right to have a system to encourage, push past the barriers, be exposed to learning - basically, guys, lets go swimming in the deep end of the pool of education. It forced all parties out of the structured comfort zones. The failing, is technology costs, measurements costs, repair or alterations costs and these items are significantly ignored by the NCLB mandate. Enough for now but appreciate your kind question.

We did have that system. It was called college prep and vocational studies. The Bush Administration effectively ended that concept. Frankly, rightfully so.

30 games within a couple of months is plenty and that is playing, not just pitching. For all kids 16 and under.

A medical doctor who advanced more surgical repair of pitchers as young as 11 could not be qualified to speak against your opinion? OK:rolleyes:

So if 30 to 40 is good for the high school age, what does that say about the youth coaches who think 40 to 50 plus is good? Reds medical doctor was on HBO Real Sports, a second time, and said any kid playing over 30 games a year under the age of 16 is a crime. That is playing, not pitching. How does it add up to the summer team, with high school if summer plays an additional 30 to 40 games - now you have 60+ games from late March to July/August. Insane.

How is it possible the kids today could be worse at math as compared to adults today? Today's adult world has the highest level of personal bankrupcy, personal debt, lowest amount of savings as a percentage, government debt at all time levels, failure to support the most basic of social services to improve our society. I can totally understand why kids today would reject our concepts on how to add.:sssh: Oh, by the way when the young generation refuses to pay the social security bill of the baby boomers, I hope our current math superiority is able to cover our shortfall. Maybe a look in the mirror before we judge an entire generation for its failings.

I'll take a kid who spends the same amount of time on the play ground and gym working his game, learning and polishing off his skills over the who can score more format of AAU and just playing games. For it being year round, where does weight lifting, endurance, hand eye get developed? Skinpig is dead on his description.

It is probably a little blown out of proportion to draw a frame of reference this is about stopping 7 and 8 year olds from having a good time. It is about the smart mouth and no control parents of 14 and 15 year old.

Why not...if it is true I can think of a few fellow district coaches that would love to jump ship to Campbell.

checking the list shows the one and maybe only downside to having the 10th region in Maysville.

The problem here is someone named "scooter" decided to play a political game that has/had the chance to put real people at risk. Who is he to do that? He is also the most trusted advisor to Dick Cheney. Are we then to assume during this episode his most trusted advisor did NOT tell the Vice President? Does that still make him the MOST trusted advisor or did he actually maintain the trust level? Political fun and games and strategy aside, both Democrats and Republicans look foolish and stupid when they do it. The matter here is a person who had access to our most secret operational aspects decided which game of names to play. And the Bush Administration fails to understand why there is great relutance to "trust them" on issues of privacy and intrusion?

Also, it would be helpful to some of you to understand organizations do not endorse, but they can create a PAC organization in their name to endorse. Pretty transparent but that is the law, thanks Senator McConnell. Religious organizations can and do the same thing. Churches need to quit being cheap about it and do it the legal way, if for no other reason it is the law.

I do not have much issue with candidates speaking during a worship service but I do call the lack of intelligence of anyone who would blindly follow the edits of its church leadership on political issues and not think for themselves. A word like cult comes to mind. Lack of own self worth is another. And shame on the church leadership who would empower their beliefs over those who are looking to be lead in the spirit of faith and doing so in the name of faith. I can think of a few very high profile church leaders who crossed the line of moral authority status over political issues and preaching such during a sermon or service. Or opposite, the Diocese of Covington telling Northern KY Right to Life and Bob Ceturllo to pound salt due to their rude and crude actions.