Because of what I posted.

 

It is not in the verbiage, it is is the thoughts of some at KHSAA and the KDE.

 

So your contacts are saying that MS can't play up? I don't see that happening because it will devastate many athletic programs. Heck, an 8th grader just made 3rd Team All-State in basketball. Is that so bad?

There will be a lot of teams that will no longer exist if they do not allow MS athletes to Participate.

Not sure what you want when i agreed with you that playing 12 quarters is wrong.

 

If you want basketball labeled as a contact sport and follows the guidelines of soccer, football and I believe wrestling, than fine.

 

But to prevent middle schoolers to play at high school level across the board in all sports is wrong.

 

I think we have found the proverbial middle ground:thumb:

So your contacts are saying that MS can't play up? I don't see that happening because it will devastate many athletic programs. Heck, an 8th grader just made 3rd Team All-State in basketball. Is that so bad?

 

 

Yes.

 

I don't think many on here realize what separation, dislike, and disdain many football and basketball people in this state have for each other.

 

Football people see the limitation on games they are wanting to set as a hindrance to the development of football and making Kentucky a football state. They feel basketball people are pushing the issue. They do not feel their blatant disregard for SAFETY, HEAT RULES, WEAR AND TEAR on 12-15 yr. olds and general common sense has anything to do with it.

 

SO they are going to attack basketball, both girls and boys.....their thinking is if MS cannot play Varsity football then they shouldn't play ANY varsity sport.

 

 

It is not in the verbiage, but I know enough KHSAA/KDE/Legislators as well as people on both sides to hear/see what is going on behind the scenes.

Yes.

 

I don't think many on here realize what separation, dislike, and disdain many football and basketball people in this state have for each other.

 

Football people see the limitation on games they are wanting to set as a hindrance to the development of football and making Kentucky a football state. They feel basketball people are pushing the issue. They do not feel their blatant disregard for SAFETY, HEAT RULES, WEAR AND TEAR on 12-15 yr. olds and general common sense has anything to do with it.

 

SO they are going to attack basketball, both girls and boys.....their thinking is if MS cannot play Varsity football then they shouldn't play ANY varsity sport.

 

 

It is not in the verbiage, but I know enough KHSAA/KDE/Legislators as well as people on both sides to hear/see what is going on behind the scenes.

 

Those people are idiots! Obviously they aren't smart enough to see how their stupid decision, prohibiting MIdlle Schoolers from playing up, will completely destroy some programs.

Yes.

 

I don't think many on here realize what separation, dislike, and disdain many football and basketball people in this state have for each other.

 

Football people see the limitation on games they are wanting to set as a hindrance to the development of football and making Kentucky a football state. They feel basketball people are pushing the issue. They do not feel their blatant disregard for SAFETY, HEAT RULES, WEAR AND TEAR on 12-15 yr. olds and general common sense has anything to do with it.

 

SO they are going to attack basketball, both girls and boys.....their thinking is if MS cannot play Varsity football then they shouldn't play ANY varsity sport.

 

 

It is not in the verbiage, but I know enough KHSAA/KDE/Legislators as well as people on both sides to hear/see what is going on behind the scenes.

 

Can you show me where it's at in this bill that says Middle Schooler's can not play up in sports such as basketball, golf, track, etc. or is this just something you have come up with based on hearsay from behind the scenes? The task force has until Dec. to make recommendations. I find it hard to believe that this decision has all ready been made. Again, if it happens, Ky sports will suffer greatly.

There is no rules listed anywhere in the bill. It is going to be up to KHSAA/KDE/Legislators.

 

All have different views and "people" in their ear.

 

Look who is "helping" with the bill, football people and wrestling people.....what seasons run into and are the same as basketball?

 

I feel we need regulation in ALL sports, some schools abuse football playing to much, some basketball, some other sports.

 

There is a thread on the other board that shall not be mentioned here.....interesting read.

There is no rules listed anywhere in the bill. It is going to be up to KHSAA/KDE/Legislators.

 

All have different views and "people" in their ear.

 

Look who is "helping" with the bill, football people and wrestling people.....what seasons run into and are the same as basketball?

 

I feel we need regulation in ALL sports, some schools abuse football playing to much, some basketball, some other sports.

 

There is a thread on the other board that shall not be mentioned here.....interesting read.

 

Save us the trouble of trying to find it. What thread? What kind of regulation do you feel there needs to be in ALL sports? So if I'm hearing you correctly, everything you are saying about MSer's not being able to participate in high school sports is your opinion and based on hearsay. You are correct, everyone has people in their "ear" but I think most people will not support MSer's not playing up. They should be smart enough to realize that it would devastate and eliminate many sports at the high school level. The only people who may not understand this are the football and wrestling supporters. Didn't football get us in this mess in the first place?

Was in Frankfort today for the signing of HCR155 with the Governor, Rep. Damron, and Senator Seum. Glad to see the Governor was very much on board with this and glad that there are parties involved with middle school athletics that are willing to make sure things are being done for the health and safety of middle school athletes. My understanding is that the Committee is being finalized and should begin meeting in June.

Was in Frankfort today for the signing of HCR155 with the Governor, Rep. Damron, and Senator Seum. Glad to see the Governor was very much on board with this and glad that there are parties involved with middle school athletics that are willing to make sure things are being done for the health and safety of middle school athletes. My understanding is that the Committee is being finalized and should begin meeting in June.

 

If Middle Schooler's can not participate at the high school level, they just signed the "death penalty" for many of the small schools. Hope they are proud of that!!!!

Since no one seems to be clear on what exactly has been done, I'll just offer some hopes.

 

I hope that we have indeed seen the end of redshirting, which is a completely, utterly, ridiculous habit that wayyyyyyyy too many parents engage in with the fallacious idea that it will give their kid, against all practical odds, the upper hand in landing a college scholarship. Focus on academics, people. If the kid is good enough, he/she will get noticed. Trust me. It may not even cost you a mint on the travel-team and AAU circuit.

 

I hope that there is not, in fact, a rule in this bill prohibiting middle-schoolers from competing at the HS level in certain sports. Places such as Bardstown High School would be forced to shutter their softball program because of the simple fact that softball is on the low end of the totem pole at the school, and is unable to gather enough upperclassmen while competing for athletes with a marquee track program and a fairly solid tennis program. Hell, even in recent years, a school such as Nelson County, one of the largest in the state, struggled to fill out a golf team while kids flock to participate in soccer and volleyball.

Since no one seems to be clear on what exactly has been done, I'll just offer some hopes.

 

I hope that we have indeed seen the end of redshirting, which is a completely, utterly, ridiculous habit that wayyyyyyyy too many parents engage in with the fallacious idea that it will give their kid, against all practical odds, the upper hand in landing a college scholarship. Focus on academics, people. If the kid is good enough, he/she will get noticed. Trust me. It may not even cost you a mint on the travel-team and AAU circuit.

 

I hope that there is not, in fact, a rule in this bill prohibiting middle-schoolers from competing at the HS level in certain sports. Places such as Bardstown High School would be forced to shutter their softball program because of the simple fact that softball is on the low end of the totem pole at the school, and is unable to gather enough upperclassmen while competing for athletes with a marquee track program and a fairly solid tennis program. Hell, even in recent years, a school such as Nelson County, one of the largest in the state, struggled to fill out a golf team while kids flock to participate in soccer and volleyball.

 

As has already been stated in this thread, IF middle schoolers couldn't play up that would severely hurt female athletics in many schools.

 

Does anyone know exactly what is going on with this?

As has already been stated in this thread, IF middle schoolers couldn't play up that would severely hurt female athletics in many schools.

 

Does anyone know exactly what is going on with this?

 

Yes, see post 45.

Since no one seems to be clear on what exactly has been done, I'll just offer some hopes.

 

I hope that we have indeed seen the end of redshirting, which is a completely, utterly, ridiculous habit that wayyyyyyyy too many parents engage in with the fallacious idea that it will give their kid, against all practical odds, the upper hand in landing a college scholarship. Focus on academics, people. If the kid is good enough, he/she will get noticed. Trust me. It may not even cost you a mint on the travel-team and AAU circuit.

 

I hope that there is not, in fact, a rule in this bill prohibiting middle-schoolers from competing at the HS level in certain sports. Places such as Bardstown High School would be forced to shutter their softball program because of the simple fact that softball is on the low end of the totem pole at the school, and is unable to gather enough upperclassmen while competing for athletes with a marquee track program and a fairly solid tennis program. Hell, even in recent years, a school such as Nelson County, one of the largest in the state, struggled to fill out a golf team while kids flock to participate in soccer and volleyball.

I have no issues with "redshirting", to each his own I say. The AAU/travel circuit does not exist solely for the purpose of parent/adult gratification like the naysayers would lead us to believe. College coaches, when given the choice to watch prospective athletes, would rather see them compete with and against top level competition. Hard to tell how good some athletes are when they are the best on the field/court at the high school level, which can be the case sometimes.In non revenue sports, where little scholarship money is available, coaches can't quite take many "risks" with what little they have to offer, money wise. As far as academics goes, you are 100% on the money, that goes a LONG way toward helping athletes and non athletes alike. An athlete with top notch academic qualifications, can get most or all of thier schooling paid for through a combo of athletic/academic scholarship money. The "if you are good enough, they will find you" line is not quite true for all sports.

Yes, see post 45.

 

It just says that task force will be developed to study the issues related to MS athletics. I guess we have to wait and see what their recommendations will be and how it will affect the MS'ers.