Casino Construction Collapse in Cincinnati

[75center]

See there, another reason we don't need casinos in KY. They're dangerous places.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

Rock Gaming is connected to the casino collapse in Cleveland also. Maybe they should inspect their contractors a little more closely?

 

They hired Messer and Turner to do that for them. (And seeing how two firms "know everything there is to know about building", I just don't understand how this could have happened )

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

From what I have heard it was probably bad welds on the steal beams that caused the collapse.

 

From the pictures I've seen, it could be one of two or three things that caused the failure...steel attachment being one.

[PurplePride92]

They hired Messer and Turner to do that for them. (And seeing how two firms "know everything there is to know about building", I just don't understand how this could have happened )

 

 

Gotcha. I read you loud and clear.

[rockmom]

Any word if this will delay the construction significantly? A question posed to me by an anynomous casino operator in Indiana.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

Long story short, it pretty well has to have been caused by one of 3 things:

 

1) Improper Design: The engineer didn't design the structural steel to handle the load. This is very unlikely, as structural steel is generally engineered to hold 2 or 3 times what the actual capacity will end up being.

 

2) Improper Fabrication: There was a problem with the actual makeup of steel as it was cast at the foundry, or it was erected incorrectly (insufficient welds, bolts, or hot rivets).

 

3) Damage To The Structure: Somebody did something to physically damage the physical structure. The only scenario that I could possibly see making this the case would be overloading the concrete - which doesn't usually happen with any kind of reputable concrete company. These are "suspended slabs", meaning it's concrete being poured onto metal decking. The suspended slabs are going to have some deflection (dipping/cupping) in them. I’ve heard stories of concrete contractors trying to get the concrete dead level by adding more concrete to the belly of the deflecting deck, which then blows out when it has 6-inches of concrete on it instead of the designed 4-inches.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

Any word if this will delay the construction significantly? A question posed to me by an anynomous casino operator in Indiana.

 

No doubt they will be scrambling to try to make up lost time as a result of this. It will really depend on the findings in the investigation being performed by OSHA and the city's inspectors (in conjunction with the structural engineer and the testing agency who is paid to inspect and verify all of the structural steel connections, no doubt). If they decide it was caused by a bad attachment, chances are they are going to want to go through and re-inspect ALL of the steel connections to make sure the steel erectors and the inspectors from the testing agency hadn't let other faulty attachments pass.

 

The owners' rep from Rock Gaming said in the press conference that the whole construction site will be closed until the investigation determines that it is safe for work...so they'll have to see how long that takes before they can really determine how much time will be lost.

 

I thought one interesting thing from the press conference was the fact that the rep said this project did not have an accelerated schedule. That was an outright lie. I know from talking to several subcontractors on this job that they were asked how they could cut the durations of their work (and how much, in turn, that would cost) in order to speed up the schedule. That's nothing new to construction. The fact that the owners' rep said differently was false.

[rockmom]

No doubt they will be scrambling to try to make up lost time as a result of this. It will really depend on the findings in the investigation being performed by OSHA and the city's inspectors (in conjunction with the structural engineer and the testing agency who is paid to inspect and verify all of the structural steel connections, no doubt). If they decide it was caused by a bad attachment, chances are they are going to want to go through and re-inspect ALL of the steel connections to make sure the steel erectors and the inspectors from the testing agency hadn't let other faulty attachments pass.

 

The owners' rep from Rock Gaming said in the press conference that the whole construction site will be closed until the investigation determines that it is safe for work...so they'll have to see how long that takes before they can really determine how much time will be lost.

 

I thought one interesting thing from the press conference was the fact that the rep said this project did not have an accelerated schedule. That was an outright lie. I know from talking to several subcontractors on this job that they were asked how they could cut the durations of their work (and how much, in turn, that would cost) in order to speed up the schedule. That's nothing new to construction. The fact that the owners' rep said differently was false.

 

Thanks...I'll pass the info along to the ACO in Indiana.

[Lawnboy13]

It's George Bush's fault. :lol:

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

It's George Bush's fault. :lol:

 

No no no...clearly it's Obama.

[Birdsfan]

2) Improper Fabrication: There was a problem with the actual makeup of steel as it was cast at the foundry, or it was erected incorrectly (insufficient welds, bolts, or hot rivets).

One of the older construction guys there (not sure if he was supervising or not) said that a steel beam snapped at one end and that let the whole house of cards come down.

[75center]

Just saw where one injury was downgraded from fair to serious.

[Clyde]

Bus driver NOT happy with the location of the press conference.

 

http://www.wlwt.com/video/30316768/detail.html

[Weakside]

Long story short, it pretty well has to have been caused by one of 3 things:

 

1) Improper Design: The engineer didn't design the structural steel to handle the load. This is very unlikely, as structural steel is generally engineered to hold 2 or 3 times what the actual capacity will end up being.

 

2) Improper Fabrication: There was a problem with the actual makeup of steel as it was cast at the foundry, or it was erected incorrectly (insufficient welds, bolts, or hot rivets).

 

3) Damage To The Structure: Somebody did something to physically damage the physical structure. The only scenario that I could possibly see making this the case would be overloading the concrete - which doesn't usually happen with any kind of reputable concrete company. These are "suspended slabs", meaning it's concrete being poured onto metal decking. The suspended slabs are going to have some deflection (dipping/cupping) in them. I’ve heard stories of concrete contractors trying to get the concrete dead level by adding more concrete to the belly of the deflecting deck, which then blows out when it has 6-inches of concrete on it instead of the designed 4-inches.

All good and valid scenerios on what might have happened during the pour. I think you'll find when the actually report comes out that it was an issue with the bolts (or lack there of) holding up the girder that collapsed.

[ColonelCrazy]

The latest briefing says 11 total injuries, but none terribly serious.

 

I have heard of at least one that is very serious. Not life threatening, but absolutely serious.