During the next time out the three refs huddled in front of me and discussed what happened. The ref stated 'he missed the ball going into the basket' and awarded the player 2 free throws. The scoreboard still reflected 0 - 0 at that time of the first free throw. When the ref reported the foul to the scorers table, he never indicated the basket was good and therefore the points were never put up.

 

Once the mistake was noticed after the missed free throw and put back, in my opinion, what should have happened was: the refs should have met, determined that the basket in fact should have counted, given NCC 2 points for that part. Since the free throw was missed, at that point it should have been a dead ball and based on the alternating possession the ball should have been inbounded by the team based with the aarow and the score NCC 2 Lloyd 0.

 

You couldn't allow NCC who got the rebound and put back to keep those points since Lloyd (which I'm sure they weren't but could argue) didn't attempt to rebound since the ref said 2 shots.

 

Just my thought on how it should have been handled.

 

If the play was called correctly as an and one, NCC would have received the original basket (2 points), the put back (2 points) and I believe McDonald was fouled on the put back (don't know if the ref would have called it or not but it looked like he got fouled) with McDonald at the free throw line shooting one. So, NCC could have been up 5 - 0 on the trip down the court.

 

When the first shot was missed did Lloyd players go after it? Any of them?

Unfortunate. No excuse for 1 of the other 2 to stop play when they see the administering official say "2 shots."

 

Agreed. No excuse, these officials needed to communicate better.

Unbelievable that all 3 refs didn't see the ball go in. I have two questions. One, if your not following the ball as a ref, what are you looking at? And two, there is an official scorer that the refs could ask if the ball went in. Why wasn't the scorers table consulted if all three truley didn't see it go in?

During the next time out the three refs huddled in front of me and discussed what happened. The ref stated 'he missed the ball going into the basket' and awarded the player 2 free throws. The scoreboard still reflected 0 - 0 at that time of the first free throw. When the ref reported the foul to the scorers table, he never indicated the basket was good and therefore the points were never put up.

 

Once the mistake was noticed after the missed free throw and put back, in my opinion, what should have happened was: the refs should have met, determined that the basket in fact should have counted, given NCC 2 points for that part. Since the free throw was missed, at that point it should have been a dead ball and based on the alternating possession the ball should have been inbounded by the team based with the aarow and the score NCC 2 Lloyd 0.

 

You couldn't allow NCC who got the rebound and put back to keep those points since Lloyd (which I'm sure they weren't but could argue) didn't attempt to rebound since the ref said 2 shots.

 

Just my thought on how it should have been handled.

 

If the play was called correctly as an and one, NCC would have received the original basket (2 points), the put back (2 points) and I believe McDonald was fouled on the put back (don't know if the ref would have called it or not but it looked like he got fouled) with McDonald at the free throw line shooting one. So, NCC could have been up 5 - 0 on the trip down the court.

 

What happened in between the time St Henry got the ball and the timeout? Was there a whistle for a foul or any violations?

Edited January 19, 201214 yr by Clyde

The NCC coach did question the call but the officials would not back off their call. I saw this happen years ago where neither ref saw the ball go in. They went to the scorers table for confirmation. I have no idea why they did not do that. I thought that the official scorer was a "game official". Either way there is no excuse for one of the trail officials to not watch the ball.

Surely Grant asked an official why the basket that went in didn't count, right? He's not known to be shy with officials.

When the first shot was missed did Lloyd players go after it? Any of them?

There was a previous post stating that none of the Lloyd players went after the rebound since the ref stated that it was a 2 shot foul!

The NCC coach did question the call but the officials would not back off their call. I saw this happen years ago where neither ref saw the ball go in. They went to the scorers table for confirmation. I have no idea why they did not do that. I thought that the official scorer was a "game official". Either way there is no excuse for one of the trail officials to not watch the ball.

 

The official scorer is not an official. They can certainly check with him/her.

Same kind of play happened in the Holy Cross/Newport game last night in the 1st qtr.

Newport player drove and went up for a shot, got fouled and shot the ball when he landed and made it. Refs called it a shooting foul but didn't count the basket. The player shot 2 foul shots. The shot happened after he landed, but how can it be a shooting foul if he didn't shoot til after the landing?

Same kind of play happened in the Holy Cross/Newport game last night in the 1st qtr.

Newport player drove and went up for a shot, got fouled and shot the ball when he landed and made it. Refs called it a shooting foul but didn't count the basket. The player shot 2 foul shots. The shot happened after he landed, but how can it be a shooting foul if he didn't shoot til after the landing?

 

That can happen. If the official determines the player had started his shooting motion it's a two-shot foul regardless of when the kid actually ends up shooting it.

A little more info:

 

The drive from the perimeter resulted in a collision at the rim with players going down. Two officials had the bodies on the floor so they didn't see it go in. Both had whistles on the play as it started in the prime area of the outside official and ended up in the area of the official under the basket, thus, two whistles. The good/no good would have been the responsibility of the 3rd official.

That can happen. If the official determines the player had started his shooting motion it's a two-shot foul regardless of when the kid actually ends up shooting it.

 

Thats probably what happened. It didn't look like he attempted to shoot til he landed, but probably got hit on the way up. Refs had a better view than I did 60 feet away and it was a good crew who did a nice job.

This example goes to show that even a strong crew makes mistakes. I don't know all 3 but I know Dave Kanarek was on the crew and he's very good.

I don't remember a lot about Ross Neltner. I know he played for Highlands and LSU but what was his High School career like? Did he play as a freshman?

Man Drew McDonald is killing it... He had 24pts last night..The kid is going to be special!! He could be the next Ross Neltner if you ask me..

I am thinking Vinny Zollo as a good comparison to McDonald.

This example goes to show that even a strong crew makes mistakes. I don't know all 3 but I know Dave Kanarek was on the crew and he's very good.

Truth, and I believe that is why Grant looked straight to him when the screw up occurred. He did not make the call but still shocked it went down like that....

 

In the end it didn't matter in the outcome, but still, very strange.