July 26, 201115 yr http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/07/26/new.york.wtc.cross/index.html#ixzz1TEMlu4Qq A statement from the president of the atheist group I found interesting.... "The WTC cross has become a Christian icon," said Dave Silverman, president of the atheist group. "It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It's a truly ridiculous assertion."
July 26, 201115 yr Based on their claim alone, they may, MAY have a case. But my question is this- what in the world does it matter to them? Nothing more than an attention grab.
July 26, 201115 yr Sorry I didn't read the article, but is the government putting up the cross and spending money to keep it up? If not, no case.
July 26, 201115 yr Based on their claim alone, they may, MAY have a case. But my question is this- what in the world does it matter to them? Nothing more than an attention grab. That's my only gripe with them as well. If an atheist group had a symbol and wanted it displayed as well I really don't think I'd have a problem with it.
July 27, 201115 yr Author Sorry I didn't read the article, but is the government putting up the cross and spending money to keep it up? If not, no case.To be honest I don't think the article was very well writen. Not much in the way of facts. This was all it gave for a reason. The "government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state," the American Atheists say in a press statement. I agree with your stance.
July 27, 201115 yr Author That's my only gripe with them as well. If an atheist group had a symbol and wanted it displayed as well I really don't think I'd have a problem with it.I hoped this would spark two different directions and maybe each should have their own thread. One was based on the statement I quoted in the first post about "god" letting this happen. Two would be how christians would react to this based on the stink that was raised about the planned mosque to be built near ground zero.
July 27, 201115 yr I am for the mosque and the cross as long as not government support. Actually I am upset that the government essentially prevented the mosque. Let the people worship when and where they see fit. Don't encourage an endorsement and don't expect a captive audience.
July 27, 201115 yr I like William Sloane Coffin's take on the notion of God letting bad things happen. . . . paraphrased - When we cry out to God "why" at horrible things happening, God stands and says the same to us, "why did you let this happen?"
July 27, 201115 yr Author I like William Sloane Coffin's take on the notion of God letting bad things happen. . . . paraphrased - When we cry out to God "why" at horrible things happening, God stands and says the same to us, "why did you let this happen?"I have always found it interesting that people are quick to praise god for the good things but never blame him for the bad. I see alot of it on facebook..."praise god for this wonder day" or "praise god for my new job", stuff like that. But you never see "God, where the hell were you" when someones wife, husband, kids, ect is killed or gets sick.
July 27, 201115 yr Until our country once again accepts God and backs up Christians and the beliefs our awesome country was founded upon, our country will continue to decline, like we are now.
July 27, 201115 yr Woods, he is still there, its the nature of man for people to die and for them to get sick, some people don't get the Big Picture, and some won't even get to see the Big picture.
July 27, 201115 yr Until our country once again accepts God and backs up Christians and the beliefs our awesome country was founded upon, our country will continue to decline, like we are now. Our country was founded upon religious freedoms, not Christianity.
July 27, 201115 yr Yes, but the religion at the time was Christianity, not many of the founding fathers were Islam, Jews, or Atheist. people used to have the fear of God, now our countries leaders and law makers try to find ways to weed out Jesus, god, the Bible from things we used to do, like pray before school graduations, the 10 Commandments in buildings. Now our leaders are afraid to make someone mad and the Christians are the ones who are discriminated against.
July 27, 201115 yr Now our leaders are afraid to make someone mad and the Christians are the ones who are discriminated against. I'll be interested to see the BGP reaction to this statement.
July 27, 201115 yr Yes, but the religion at the time was Christianity, not many of the founding fathers were Islam, Jews, or Atheist. people used to have the fear of God, now our countries leaders and law makers try to find ways to weed out Jesus, god, the Bible from things we used to do, like pray before school graduations, the 10 Commandments in buildings. Now our leaders are afraid to make someone mad and the Christians are the ones who are discriminated against.You can't re-write history to suit your wants and/or desires and I think what UKMF says is spot on. This is pretty clearly laid out: Our country was founded upon religious freedoms, not Christianity.
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