Here is some discussion from the Coach's Listserve. What are your thoughts?

 

I agree that our kids lose valuable exposure time because my son, who ended up playing for UK a few years ago was offered a scholarship in June his senior year by UK and Cincinnati when he went to 7 on 7 tournaments held at those colleges. They had seen film, talked to him, and had not offered but offered on the spot when they saw him in person at their campus in 7 on 7 competition in JUNE.

 

It is truly unreal. We need to fight to get back 7 on 7 in June. We cant take our kids to any college camps and they do them in June!!! Our kids don’t have the opportunity to be seen by those coaches. And I have had several friends in other states tell me their kids were offered by this college or that college in the summer (June) at the 7 on 7 camps

 

Quick Question,

How come it is okay for basketball coaches to coach their kids in organized team v team activities in June, and for baseball coaches to coach their kids in organized team v team activities in June and July, but football is restricted to July? It is becoming more and more attractive for kids to play other sports because all you do is show up and play all year long instead of practicing all summer to play 10 games.

 

I wasn’t in favor of it and I haven’t talked to 1 coach that was in favor of this. Being a former college coach I can tell you that the time a college football coach has to see a kid in person is very limited! I won’t go into the the NCAA rules but believe me they are favored towards hoops!!! They have camps (all the five star camps and others) in the summer that all the bball coaches can go to and evaluate talent. 7 on 7 HELPS us as football coaches with June competition with other teams and also lets us go to UT or Alabama to let OUR KIDS SEE THE TALENT THAT THEY ARE UP AGAINST TO GET A scholarship. I use to use that to motivate my kids to work harder and let them see the talent in GA, MS, AL etc…. What you are saying is just a few of them do have it in July. Because most college coaches are off for the only 2 weeks of the year they get off in July and they are trying to get ready for their season when they come back. When we get back from dead period I am concentrating on my team and practice we don’t really have the time to go to those. I know that most of the stuff I get from colleges is June 7 on 7 camps not July. We get back from dead period on what the the 9th of July and start practice on the 15th , when are you going to have the time to travel to Georgia or Alabama’s camp even if they had one in July which they don’t. And Lord help us if AAU gets in football so some guy that thinks he knows football can sink their hands in our kids like they have done basketball. It is just a few opportunities in July to have your kids do 7 on 7 against another teams. Our kids love to compete against other schools and the June thing was good. I don’t usually get on here but this is one thing I think we need to get back.

Is it safe to assume that linemen get left out of 7-on-7 competitions? How do they get seen by college coaches?

For those of us that aren't overly familiar with the summer rules and, thus, what the posts are pertaining to can someone educate us?

Football coaches are the last people in KY that should be complaining about getting enough practice time. Good grief.

Football coaches are the last people in KY that should be complaining about getting enough practice time. Good grief.

 

How so? Seems like every other major sport can go year-round without much restriction...football is limited by exact dates.

For those of us that aren't overly familiar with the summer rules and, thus, what the posts are pertaining to can someone educate us?

 

Football cannot start team vs team competition in 7 on 7 until July 10th (meaning no team vs team 7 on 7 in the month of June). Basketball is supposed to not be allowed to compete vs. other teams in July. This does not limit AAU in basketball, baseball, soccer, track...etc.

How so? Seems like every other major sport can go year-round without much restriction...football is limited by exact dates.

 

Their allowed to practice nearly immediately after school gets out and the season goes until mid-December, of course, not including the dead period that all sports have. They also get 10 spring practice days.

 

Basketball can't practice from the start of school until October 15th and baseball can't practice from the start of school until February 15th. That's hardly year round.

To be clear, I'm not sure any sport's season needs to be extended.

This is just a break down based on days only for basketball and football. Baseball has summer ball and fall ball and basketball has AAU. But when yuo break down these two look at it this way

 

Football: July 16 days, Aug. has 31 days, Sept. has 30 days, October has 31 days, November has 30 days, Dec. 7 days = 145 days and 10 days of spring ball total of 155 days.

 

Basketball has 16 days in October, 30 days in November, 31 days in December, 31 days in January, 28 days in February, and 20 days in March = 156 days

 

Now basketball plays 28-32 + games in season, gets all of June, some play 30-50 games.

Their allowed to practice nearly immediately after school gets out and the season goes until mid-December, of course, not including the dead period that all sports have. They also get 10 spring practice days.

 

Basketball can't practice from the start of school until October 15th and baseball can't practice from the start of school until February 15th. That's hardly year round.

 

That's not completely correct. Football can not practice until after the dead period is over. They can not practice when school is out, they can lift and do things that are related to football, but have actual football practice.

 

And, I know "non school events" are not covered for other sports, but we are kind of talking out both sides of our mouths here. Sure, AAU and Summer baseball are not required, but we all know kids are "Strongly Encouraged" to play if they are on the school team. So, no matter if they are made to play or not, the school team is benefiting from their participation.

 

Football has no such "alternative" league. And even thought basketball is not supposed to take place in July, we all know players are participating in AAU and the basketball coaches are saying, "I can't help that, it's not school affiliated".

That's not completely correct. Football can not practice until after the dead period is over. They can not practice when school is out, they can lift and do things that are related to football, but have actual football practice.

 

And, I know "non school events" are not covered for other sports, but we are kind of talking out both sides of our mouths here. Sure, AAU and Summer baseball are not required, but we all know kids are "Strongly Encouraged" to play if they are on the school team. So, no matter if they are made to play or not, the school team is benefiting from their participation.

 

Football has no such "alternative" league. And even thought basketball is not supposed to take place in July, we all know players are participating in AAU and the basketball coaches are saying, "I can't help that, it's not school affiliated".

 

You don't think football coaches are telling those same kids they need to be there for "things that are related to football"? Heck, a lot of schools install their entire offense and defense at that point.

 

I thought the argument for spring football was that it would be football's "alternative" league? Sounds like it still isn't enough.

For those of us that aren't overly familiar with the summer rules and, thus, what the posts are pertaining to can someone educate us?

 

Several years ago, a group of basketball coaches and football coaches (no one will admit they were part of this group) decided that to make things more harmonious, basketball should get June, no school versus school 7 on 7's and all players that play both basketball and football should be encouraged to participate in basketball in June. Then, football would get July, no school versus school basketball in July and all players that play both basketball and football should be encouraged to participate in football in July.

 

On the surface this sounds fair, but: football gives up June and looses out on most of, if not all, their 7 on 7 time. Most colleges hold their, on campus 7 on 7 camps in June, not July. So, school can't take the team to a college 7 on 7. And, basketball coaches know that their players are still going to be playing AAU in July no matter what the agreement says. Basketball is the big winner here. Basketball coaches get their player for the entire month of June, and know they are going to be in the gym playing AAU all July. Big winner. While football loses June completely with no way for the players to participate, and have basically one week in July to try to play 7 on 7's because once the "real" practice window is open, they are going to focus on practicing for the start of the season, no longer able to apply time to 7 on 7.

 

And, that's not even going into the players that play only one of these sports. The dedicated football only players, can't get better because of the agreement. And the dedicated basketball only players can still play AAU, but can't play school versus school with their team. Just a stupid idea.

You don't think football coaches are telling those same kids they need to be there for "things that are related to football"? Heck, a lot of schools install their entire offense and defense at that point.

 

I thought the argument for spring football was that it would be football's "alternative" league? Sounds like it still isn't enough.

 

Apples and oranges.

Several years ago, a group of basketball coaches and football coaches (no one will admit they were part of this group) decided that to make things more harmonious, basketball should get June, no school versus school 7 on 7's and all players that play both basketball and football should be encouraged to participate in basketball in June. Then, football would get July, no school versus school basketball in July and all players that play both basketball and football should be encouraged to participate in football in July.

 

On the surface this sounds fair, but: football gives up June and looses out on most of, if not all, their 7 on 7 time. Most colleges hold their, on campus 7 on 7 camps in June, not July. So, school can't take the team to a college 7 on 7. And, basketball coaches know that their players are still going to be playing AAU in July no matter what the agreement says. Basketball is the big winner here. Basketball coaches get their player for the entire month of June, and know they are going to be in the gym playing AAU all July. Big winner. While football loses June completely with no way for the players to participate, and have basically one week in July to try to play 7 on 7's because once the "real" practice window is open, they are going to focus on practicing for the start of the season, no longer able to apply time to 7 on 7.

 

And, that's not even going into the players that play only one of these sports. The dedicated football only players, can't get better because of the agreement. And the dedicated basketball only players can still play AAU, but can't play school versus school with their team. Just a stupid idea.

 

So what you're saying is that the basketball coaches outsmarted the football coaches? j/k

 

I can definitely agree that basketball is the big winner.

Apples and oranges.

 

How so? Just because you don't play other schools?

 

Ironically, that's the current baseball season. You don't play any other schools.