Holmes 65

Bishop Brossart 56

1st period: Holmes 25 Bishop Brossart 14

2nd period: Holmes 16 Bishop Brossart 10

3rd period: Bishop Brossart 14 Holmes 9

4th period: Bishop Brossart 18 Holmes 15

Holmes must not have looked very good and I heard Hayes sat most of the 2nd half with foul trouble.

All in all this new Bulldogs team seems to be buying into Coach Booher's philosophy and style of play. They better... He certainly has credibility. They came out smoking and kept their offense moving, setting up quick high percentage shots that translated into points. At first Bishop Brossart didn't know what hit them, but by the 2nd half BB tightened up their defense and outplayed the Bulldogs the rest of the way. Holmes lapsed but mostly due to BB's half time adjustments as well as Holmes being more impatient with finding better shots. I still give the Bulldogs credit for actually playing a full 32 minutes of TEAM play. That's more than I can say about any Bulldogs team over the last 10 years, 2009 State Champs or not. Booher's style of play is electrifying and much more interesting to watch than recent past teams that play when they felt like it or just enough to win. No big egotistical stars... Just a quick TEAM that plays the whole game. For my money, I'll take it. It's a refreshing change :thumb: BB proved to be a formidable opponent and a good test to get this Bulldog TEAM's season rolling.

Edited December 7, 201015 yr by B-Ball-fan

Holmes must not have looked very good and I heard Hayes sat most of the 2nd half with foul trouble.

 

I was actually very impressed with this young Holmes team...Hayes came out of the gate on fire and nobody could guard him or keep him from scoring except for the officials...Every time Hayes crossed his defender up the official called a carry thus CARRYING over to Hayes play the rest of the game as the officials got in his head I do believe because he could no longer play his game, same goes for Mayfield...I have never seen so many carries called in one game Mayfield was doing an inside out dribble move every time he got called for a carry which in my opinion is just the opposite of a carry, While Brossart got away with obvious slow motion carries all game with the exception of one...All in all good game for the Bulldogs they dominated this from the start regardless of the score and might have got a little timid...Hayes impressed me but most impressive to me was Gray he can score at will if he wants to and I was very impressed with Palmer, Peterson, Knox and #33 from the JV team I forget his name...Rice is just a freak of an athlete watch out when he puts it all together...

I was actually very impressed with this young Holmes team...Hayes came out of the gate on fire and nobody could guard him or keep him from scoring except for the officials...Every time Hayes crossed his defender up the official called a carry thus CARRYING over to Hayes play the rest of the game as the officials got in his head I do believe because he could no longer play his game, same goes for Mayfield...I have never seen so many carries called in one game Mayfield was doing an inside out dribble move every time he got called for a carry which in my opinion is just the opposite of a carry, While Brossart got away with obvious slow motion carries all game with the exception of one...All in all good game for the Bulldogs they dominated this from the start regardless of the score and might have got a little timid...Hayes impressed me but most impressive to me was Gray he can score at will if he wants to and I was very impressed with Palmer, Peterson, Knox and #33 from the JV team I forget his name...Rice is just a freak of an athlete watch out when he puts it all together...

 

I agree that the refs did their best to try to take the Bulldogs out of their game. It almost worked, but this Bulldog TEAM just kept playing through the bad calls. It messed them up a bit, but I give them a lot of credit for not getting too frazzled and continuing to play hard anyhow.

From Kentucky.com

 

Saunders the sophomore leads the Stangs with 12.

 

Where was Rice in this one? 6 pts is all he scored, wow.

 

 

Bishop Brossart 13 11 14 18 56

Holmes 24 17 9 15 65

 

Bishop Brossart (2-1) -- Saunders 12, Fardo 10, Jennings 8, Norton 7, Dierig 7, Schultz 7, Trentman 5.

 

Holmes (1-0) -- Hayes 15, Gray 12, Palmer 10, Knox 10, Mayfield 7, Rice 6, Lewis 3, Peterson 2.

 

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/11/23/1537435/latest-boys-basketball-results.html?appSession=485189367705636&RecordID=6827&PageID=3&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=#ixzz17OOSyeuw

From Kentucky.com

 

Saunders the sophomore leads the Stangs with 12.

 

Where was Rice in this one? 6 pts is all he scored, wow.

 

 

Bishop Brossart 13 11 14 18 56

Holmes 24 17 9 15 65

 

Bishop Brossart (2-1) -- Saunders 12, Fardo 10, Jennings 8, Norton 7, Dierig 7, Schultz 7, Trentman 5.

 

Holmes (1-0) -- Hayes 15, Gray 12, Palmer 10, Knox 10, Mayfield 7, Rice 6, Lewis 3, Peterson 2.

 

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/11/23/1537435/latest-boys-basketball-results.html?appSession=485189367705636&RecordID=6827&PageID=3&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=#ixzz17OOSyeuw

 

Rice picked up 2 early fouls and he may have been scared to dribble the ball after seeing how the refs were when Holmes guards had the ball:D I seriously couldn't believe some of the carrying violations that were called :eyeonyou: The only explanation I have as to why Holmes was called for so many carrying violations compared to 1 for BB was that the Holmes guards had such quick handles the Refs had to say to themselves wow, How did he do that??? He must of carried the ball:laugh:

Rice, like Hayes spent a lot of time on the bench tonight as well for foul trouble. Two of his six points did come off a nice two hand dunk with two BB defenders trying to block his shot from behind. Kid makes things look so easy. When people see how effortlessly he gets up, they're going to be wowed. He has Elijah Pittman type ups...at 6'4/6'5!!! No exaggeration.

 

This game really wasn't as close as the score indicates.

 

Holmes led by 17 at the half but Brossart came out strong in the second half after a Gray lay in put the dogs up 19 at 43-24. Stangs would go on a 12-0 run over the next 3 minutes to pull within 7 at 43-36 with 3:44 left in the third quarter. Booher would call a timeout at this point and momentarily, it looked like it was a good idea. Sophomore Quan Palmer hit a 3 out of the timeout to put the Dogs back up 10 at 46-36. This would key a 7-2 run to put the Dogs up 12 at 50-38 heading in to the 4th.

 

Fourth quarter, Holmes run stretched to 9-2 on a basket by sophomore Peterson to put the Dogs up 14 at 52-38, but once again BB would battle back. The Mustangs went on a 7-0 run to close the gap to 7 once again at 52-45 but ANOTHER huge 3 by sophomore Quan Palmer pushed Holmes' lead back to 10. Just like the end of the third quarter, this would key a big Holmes run. Behind 4 straight by Knox, a basket by Gray, and a very nice one hand break away dunk by Chris Hayes, the Dogs would extend their lead to 14 at 63-49. Brossart would outscore Holmes 7-2 over the final 2 mins, including a 3 by the Stangs with 10 seconds to go to give you the final of Holmes 65 Brossart 56.

 

All in all, not a bad performance by Holmes. They had some defensive breakdowns that allowed Brossart to get back in the game several times but credit them for being able to stay poised and push the lead back out to double digits everytime. This team is going to have defensive breakdowns running the new system, but once they get used to it, they will be very tough to beat. They went 8 deep tonight and had 6 different guys score in the first quarter alone.

 

Chris Hayes was very impressive for Holmes tonight when he was actually on the floor. He got called for a 2 or 3 charges that wiped away baskets and was called for several carries, which landed him on the bench for much of the second half. He scored in a variety of different ways though from outside shots, mid range jumpers, driving to the hole and finishing, and even throwing one down which is very impressive considering he's only 5'11.

 

Quan Palmer is the real deal for Holmes. Very talented for a sophomore. He needs to improve his ball handling some but he has a great understanding and feel for the game for his age. He hit several crucial 3's during key stretches of the game to stop Brossart runs.

 

Rice had a quiet night but his defense was pretty good. Up until late in the game, the Brossart big man didn't do much.

 

Knox, if two or three inches taller would be one of the elite bigs in the region, IMO. Big strong kid that battles despite being undersized. His match up against Brown later in the season is going to be a lot of fun to watch. Those two will be banging down low the entire game.

 

Jaleel Gray is very underrated as well and extremely long for only being 6'2. He surprised me tonight with his handles and quickness with the ball. His first step is very quick.

 

Holmes, as a team, shot the ball pretty well from mid range and outside. They don't shoot nearly as many three's as last years' team but when they do, they're pretty dead on and don't miss much. I really like the way this team attacks the rim instead of settling for jumpers.

 

Holmes needs to clean up the mental mistakes but they should be a very good team once they clean some things up. Their athleticism, quickness, and intensity is really going to bother a lot of teams this year. Looking forward to their match up against Aiken, OH Saturday at BOKC.

 

Nice to see Mustang tonight as well. Brossart has several good players and you can tell that they're inexperienced. They're a work in progress and IMO aren't as bad as some were making them sound in the predictions thread. I think I had Holmes winning 63-55. Not too far off.

 

Nice showing by both teams.

Although we were the beneficiaries of numerous palming the ball calls tonight, I agree with the posters above who thought that the calls were unreasonable, had no bearing whatsoever on the play of the game, and will not be called after the first few weeks of the season.

It seems that every year we are plagued with these "points of emphasis" that disrupt early season basketball.

Palming the ball was a point of emphasis a few years back when Brossart played LaSalle in the Bluegrass-Buckeye. LaSalle was so frustrated with the repeated palming calls that they haven't returned to the Bluegrass-Buckeye.

The officials tonight didn't seem to read down to the hand-checking part of the points of emphasis, in which one team seemed to have an advantage tonight over the other.

 

2010-11 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. RULES ENFORCEMENT. There appears to be continued movement away from consistent enforcement of NFHS playing rules. Personal interpretations of the rules by individual officials have a negative impact on the game. The rules are written to provide a balance between offense and defense, minimize risk to participants, promote the sound tradition of the game and promote fair play. Individual philosophies and deviations from the rules as they are written and interpreted by the NFHS, negatively impact the basic tenets and fundamentals of the game. Illegal tactics that are permitted – are promoted. When officials allow players to use illegal tactics without penalty, the behavior is condoned and consequently encouraged. When officials consistently enforce the playing rules as intended, players and coaches are able to make the proper adjustments – promoting skill development and a level playing field.

2. SPORTING BEHAVIOR. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog and warm up on their half of the court. Gatherings intended to motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench. If during the pre-game or half-time warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team may not use the entire court; teams may only warm up on their half of the court. Only authorized personnel (cheerleaders, athletic trainers, managers, administrators, etc.) should be permitted on the floor; all spectators should be in designated areas.

3. PERIMETER PLAY. Two illegal actions are taking place on the perimeter of the court that are particularly problematic. First, defensive players are illegally using their hands to “check” the ball handler/dribbler. Secondly, offensive players are palming the ball to elude the defender. Both of these illegal tactics are going uncalled, which in turn, promotes further illegal actions (see Point of Emphasis #1).

A. Hand checking.

1) Hand checking is any tactic using the hands or arms that allows a player, on offense or defense, to control (hold, impede, push, divert, slow or prevent) the movement of an opposing player.

2) Hand checking is a foul and is not incidental contact.

3) Defensive players shall not have hand(s) on the offensive player. When a player has a hand on, two hands on or jabs a hand or forearm on an opponent, it is a foul.

4) When a player contacts an opponent with his or her hands as an aid in starting, stopping, driving around, defending a screen, controlling or anticipating the

opponent’s next move, it is a foul. Players may not place their hands on an opponent with or without the ball.

5) Much of the roughness in the interscholastic game today is a direct result of not assessing the proper penalty when illegal contact with the hand(s) occurs.

B. Palming.

1) When the hand is in contact with the ball and the palm of the hand is beyond the perpendicular position (more than a handshake), tilted in a skyward position so the ball has come to rest on the hand, the dribble has ended.

2) When the player then pushes the ball to the floor, he or she is starting another dribble (illegal dribble), which is a violation.

4. CLOSELY-GUARDED SITUATIONS. Well officiated closely-guarded situations provide for better balance between offense and defense. When closely-guarded rules are not followed, there is a significant advantage for the offense. The following areas are to be emphasized:

A. Rule basics. A closely-guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his or her team’s frontcourt, is guarded by an opponent who is within 6 feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball; the defensive player must obtain a legal guarding position. A player shall not hold the ball for five seconds or dribble the ball for five seconds while closely guarded in his or her frontcourt. A player can legally hold the ball while closely guarded for four seconds, dribble the ball for four seconds and hold the ball again for four seconds before violating.

B. Measuring 6 feet. Officials must define and have a clear image of the 6-foot guarding distance necessary. Too frequently, officials require the defensive player to be within 3 to 4 feet prior to the count being initiated. Good visual examples of this distance can be found on the court as: the distance between the free-throw line and the top of the semi-circle; from the division line to the jump circle; two adjacent marked lane spaces. Failure to properly judge the 6-foot distance and require the defender to be within 3 or 4 feet of the dribbler before beginning the count puts the defensive player in an unfair position.

C. Ending the count. A closely-guarded count ends when no defensive player is within 6 feet. The count also stops when a closely-guarded player: completes a dribble anywhere in the team’s own frontcourt; starts a dribble in the team’s own frontcourt and ends it anywhere in the frontcourt (a new five-second count will start if the player holds the ball); loses possession of the ball for any reason in the team’s own frontcourt; or has his or her dribble interrupted. If a closely-guarded player beats the defender(s) by getting head and shoulders past the defensive player, the count has ended.

D. Multiple defenders. The count should continue even if there is a defensive switch, provided the 6-foot distance is maintained. There is no requirement for the defensive player to remain the same during the count as long as the offensive player is closely guarded throughout.

E. Counting mechanics. The official begins a visible count when the 6-foot distance is established and must switch arms when going directly from one counting situation to another.

5. PRINCIPLE OF VERTICALITY. The committee is concerned that the principle of verticality is not being applied consistently, especially in situations that involve blocked shots. Verticality applies to a legal position. The following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

A. Legal guarding must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.

B. For this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his or her vertical plane.

C. The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his/her vertical plane while on the floor or in the air.

D. The defender should not be penalized for leaving the floor vertically or having his/her hands and arms extended within his or her vertical plane.

E. The offensive player, whether on the floor or airborne, may not “clear out” or cause contact within the defender’s vertical plane; this is a foul.

F. The defender may not “belly up” or use the lower part of the body or arms to cause contact outside his or her vertical plane; this is a foul.

G. The player with the ball is to be given no more protection or consideration than the defender in judging which player has violated the rules.

H. Misunderstanding of this rule generally results in the defensive player being charged with a foul when actually his or her vertical plane has likely been violated.

All in all I thought it was a good experience for both teams.

 

Holmes was challenged and were up to the challenge, and will emerge with many learning opportities.

 

Brossart on the other hand sseemed totally overwhelmed in the first period and had each of their passes read out, deflected or stolen, many of which resulted in Holmes easy baskets.

 

After the first period, and especially in the second half we seemed to settle down and make some stops, break the press, and connected on some shots oursleves. The Mustangs played much better in the second half, outscoring the home team 32-24, forcing a time-out by Coach Booher mid-way through the third quarter when the Mustangs cut the Dawgs' lead to seven (43-36).

 

As Walter stated, the Bulldogs always seemed to be able to score in bunches holding the visitors at bay.

 

It was a great outing for the Mustangs, who simply can't duplicate that kind of quickness and intensity at practice on a day to day basis. It should set us up nicely for our upcoming encounter with crosstown rival Campbell County on Saturday.

 

Congratulations to Coach Booher on his first ever win as the new head coach of the Holmes Bulldogs!!! :thumb:

I agree, Mustang. Several calls on both teams tonight that really didn't make too much sense and I doubt we see it called regularly in a few weeks.

 

The palming calls were ridiculous. Hayes and Mayfield would cross their man and a palming call was called everytime because they were so quick with the ball. I believe Gray and Palmer were also called for this once or twice as well.

All in all I thought it was a good experience for both teams.

 

Holmes was challenged and were up to the challenge, and will emerge with many learning opportities.

 

Brossart on the other hand sseemed totally overwhelmed in the first period and had each of their passes read out, deflected or stolen, many of which resulted in Holmes easy baskets.

 

After the first period, and especially in the second half we seemed to settle down and make some stops, break the press, and connected on some shots oursleves. The Mustangs played much better in the second half, outscoring the home team 32-24, forcing a time-out by Coach Booher mid-way through the third quarter when the Mustangs cut the Dawgs' lead to seven (43-36).

 

As Walter stated, the Bulldogs always seemed to be able to score in bunches holding the visitors at bay.

 

It was a great outing for the Mustangs, who simply can't duplicate that kind of quickness and intensity at practice on a day to day basis. It should set us up nicely for our upcoming encounter with crosstown rival Campbell County on Saturday.

 

Congratulations to Coach Booher on his first ever win as the new head coach of the Holmes Bulldogs!!! :thumb:

 

Well said!

 

I felt like once Brossart started moving offensively and quit just standing around waiting for the ball to come to them, Holmes' press became less effective and it led to easy points in transition.

 

Brossart also shot the ball better in the second half.

 

As I said in an earlier post, they're a work in progress. Fardo, Norton, and Saunders are all three nice players and once Jennings comes around and a few of the other younger guys, they will be a tough out. They won't play another team this season with as much athleticism as Holmes, that also presses the entire game. (Save for maybe Clark Co and Mason Co, but I didn't see GRC on the schedule)

The biggest difference in the second half was that Holmes was not scoring, which in part was to Brossart's improved play on the boards. Holmes then was not able to slap on their press.

Add to it that Brossart got on a nice little run and hit some shots and were much much better in defensive transition and were able to get back into their typical stingy half court switching man to man defense.

Decent opener for both teams.

I agree that the refs did their best to try to take the Bulldogs out of their game. It almost worked, but this Bulldog TEAM just kept playing through the bad calls. It messed them up a bit, but I give them a lot of credit for not getting too frazzled and continuing to play hard anyhow.

 

Yeah I heard that was their pregame plan.