Yup. Most of whom flocked to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act passed.

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Yup. Most of whom flocked to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act passed.

While you and I agree entirely on your garbage bomb concept for Middle East combat... this makes little sense in light of the fact that republican support for Civil Rights legislation far outweighted democrat support in 1964. It's a fact, you can look it up.

 

The whole tactic of labeling those with whom one disagrees as ignorant, racist, bigot, homophobe, rednecks that just aren't smart enough to "get it" is beyond tiresome.

 

I may be wrong, but I for one believe you are better than that. :thumb:

Since I wasn't confident you'd have time to look up the votes along party affiliation for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, I went ahead and did it for you:

 

The original House version:

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%–39%)

Republican Party: 138-34 (80%–20%)

 

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)

Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

 

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)

Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

 

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)

Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

 

Combining all votes for each party, this works out to:

Democratic Party: 395-231 (63%–37%)

Republican Party: 328-81 (80%–20%)

 

The whole notion of Republicans as a bunch of elite racist bigots should begin and end here. Without overwhelming 4 to 1 Republican support, (versus only 3-2 Democrat support) LBJ would have had a much more difficult time getting this landmark legislation pushed through. :thumb:

I don't know how valid a comparison it is of the two parties based on something that happened nearly 50 years ago ...

I don't know how valid a comparison it is of the two parties based on something that happened nearly 50 years ago ...

Or 136 years ago when Abraham Lincoln (another dirty Republican) signed the Emancipation Proclamation leading to immediate freedom for thousands of slaves, and eventually freedom for over four million slaves resulting in the 13th Amendment making slavery illegal. From Lincoln through the 1964 Civil Rights Act to the present, a majority of Republicans have been on the correct side of significant race issues. To attempt to state otherwise is disingenuous both historically and ethically.

 

There is no legitimate basis for labeling the republican party or the tea party movement as racists, especialy by those whose opposition party has historically tended to resist such Kumbaya changes.

The whole notion of Republicans as a bunch of elite racist bigots should begin and end here. Without overwhelming 4 to 1 Republican support, (versus only 3-2 Democrat support) LBJ would have had a much more difficult time getting this landmark legislation pushed through. :thumb:

 

"Beginning and ending" the conversation with the final vote tally of the Civil Rights Act is a convenient way of dismissing the electoral ramifications of its (and the Voting Rights Act) passage, the general nuance of party composition, and the Civil Rights movement as a whole. The votes of disillusioned southern Democrats were up for grabs and it was the GOP that benefited, changing the South from a Democratic stronghold to a Republican stronghold seemingly overnight in addition to the exodus of black support from the GOP to the Democrats over the course of a similar timeframe. This was famously a hallmark of Nixon’s campaign strategy and more or less that of Goldwater before him and those Republicans who followed them. Republicans have not relinquished the South or made any inroads into the black vote since, making it an odd claim that this is the same party of Lincoln, whose party was universally loathed in the South and claimed nearly all support from the black demographic.

Or 136 years ago when Abraham Lincoln (another dirty Republican) signed the Emancipation Proclamation leading to immediate freedom for thousands of slaves, and eventually freedom for over four million slaves resulting in the 13th Amendment making slavery illegal. From Lincoln through the 1964 Civil Rights Act to the present, a majority of Republicans have been on the correct side of significant race issues. To attempt to state otherwise is disingenuous both historically and ethically.

 

There is no legitimate basis for labeling the republican party or the tea party movement as racists, especialy by those whose opposition party has historically tended to resist such Kumbaya changes.

Whether it's 50 or 150-something years ago, neither comparison has much validity to what is going on in 2010 ...

Yup. Most of whom flocked to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act passed.

 

Like you said. That's not validated.

"Beginning and ending" the conversation with the final vote tally of the Civil Rights Act is a convenient way of dismissing the electoral ramifications of its (and the Voting Rights Act) passage, the general nuance of party composition, and the Civil Rights movement as a whole. The votes of disillusioned southern Democrats were up for grabs and it was the GOP that benefited, changing the South from a Democratic stronghold to a Republican stronghold seemingly overnight in addition to the exodus of black support from the GOP to the Democrats over the course of a similar timeframe. This was famously a hallmark of Nixon’s campaign strategy and more or less that of Goldwater before him and those Republicans who followed them. Republicans have not relinquished the South or made any inroads into the black vote since, making it an odd claim that this is the same party of Lincoln, whose party was universally loathed in the South and claimed nearly all support from the black demographic.

Okay... I'm a conservative, so clearly I'm a little slow.

 

Please explain to me how 80% of Republicans voted FOR the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to only 63% of Democrats FOR the Act, and as a result disillusioned Southern Dems switched to Republican and Blacks shifted to the party that was more against the Act?

Whether it's 50 or 150-something years ago, neither comparison has much validity to what is going on in 2010 ...

 

So... are you of the opinion that the modern Republican party and the Tea Party are refuges for racists, bigots, homophobes and other just really rotten people?

So... are you of the opinion that the modern Republican party and the Tea Party are refuges for racists, bigots, homophobes and other just really rotten people?

My opinion, as I have stated here before, is that there are some of those elements in the Tea Party ... nothing more, nothing less.

My opinion, as I have stated here before, is that there are some of those elements in the Tea Party ... nothing more, nothing less.

 

There some of those elements everywhere...

Please explain to me how 80% of Republicans voted FOR the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to only 63% of Democrats FOR the Act, and as a result disillusioned Southern Dems switched to Republican and Blacks shifted to the party that was more against the Act?

 

It wasn’t the Republican support for the Civil Rights Act but the Democrats’ support for it that shook loose the ties between Southerners and the Democratic party. When the election rolled around, Barry Goldwater won the South in whole (outside of the South he only won his home state). Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act and ran on a platform of strong states’ rights. This was appealing to Southerners who were betrayed by their party. Of this election Martin Luther King Jr. wrote “[t]he Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism” which is an indication of not only its newfound support among Southerners but its strategy of keeping them in the fold. Furthermore, despite the staunch segregationist attitudes of Southern Democrats, many other Democrats were engaged in the Civil Rights movement which provided a comfortable home for blacks and like-minded folks once Republicans began tailoring their campaigns toward the South. Again, since the 1960s Republicans were more than happy to control the South at the expense of the black vote.

There some of those elements everywhere...

BINGO! But that aways seems to get swept aside.

There some of those elements everywhere...

Would you concede that there could be more of those elements in the Tea Party than there are on the left?