A lethal guard dog!

 

It's smart... I bet you half of the perps out there are just as afraid of dogs as they are guns.

No not implying anything.... and very impressed with your preperation then again we should have expected it from someone like you. I would agree you don't "need" a gun if your going to be that conscious about your safety. What type of dog do you have?

 

Someone like me who has a gun could very well get wacked from behind. Maybe it makes me feel too safe? Like doing stupid things on a bike just because you have a helmet on?

 

 

Not to demean your feeling of safety, but I truly do feel that people who rely on weapons to ensure their safety are exactly as you describe.

 

And, again, this is my own personal choice and decision. I'm not against people owning guns. But, I definitely don't understand how it makes one more safe, and from my personal experience, I find that I'm just as safe as many gun owners. But they'll attribute their safety to gun ownership, while I know that mine has nothing at all to do with it. Then the argument always comes up that I've been "lucky" (or blessed, Fastbreak )

 

But, I don't feel there's any luck involved, especially if I've taken precautions.

 

Again, I don't fault people for owning guns, or even want that right taken away from people.

 

But, as in the example I posted a link to, I'm going to be furious if this man that left 3 loaded handguns unlocked in a house with children doesn't get some sort of substantial punishment. Because to me, that's a crime. If you are irresponsible in the storage and use of your gun and something happens, you should be responsible.

 

I want everyone who owns a gun to have to be certified in gun safety, including the proper storage of guns. I know it seems like it should be common sense. But, too many kids - rural,urban, suburban - wind up dead from completely preventable gun accidents.

It's smart... I bet you half of the perps out there are just as afraid of dogs as they are guns.

I'd put it at higher than half. I've seen my dog completely frighten many people and as JS or RM can attest, he is a BIG baby.

1 or 2 would produce enough of a problem. If you hang out during late hours, especially in or near the city, it's more of a danger than you think.

 

Generally I am out and about during the late hours. I know that there are some bad spots in Cincinnati, so I generally avoid those. If I do go through those areas, I typically go with a group.

 

The number of situations in which you are authorized to use deadly force are so minimal that I do not feel the need to carry a gun, particularly in public places.

I'd put it at higher than half. I've seen my dog completely frighten many people and as JS or RM can attest, he is a BIG baby.

 

 

He is. :lol: Isn't it funny how my dog is such a bully and your's is such a baby, and your dog could eat my dog as a Scoobie snack? :lol:

True you can find that each night in Cincinnati, but its like RM said, having a plan... and simply being smart enough to avoid the city at night.

If I want to bored out of my mind...

The number of situations in which you are authorized to use deadly force are so minimal that I do not feel the need to carry a gun, particularly in public places.

It only takes one time. The news is full of "first timers".

If I want to bored out of my mind...

 

Haha I get your point just don't go Plaxico on us! :laugh:

Maybe we could all take up a collection and adopt one for you. :banana: :lol:

 

You can do that for me if you want! :lol:

If not, evolution in action.

 

This is somewhat of chilling response to this incident.

 

No, 12 and 14 year should not play with guns. But 12 and 14 year old boys do a lot of things they should not. Hence my recommendation to have kids formally trained, in schools, on firearm saftey.

 

From reading the story the weapon was a 9 mm, thus, almost certainly an automatic. Complete conjecture here, but something I have often thought about in these incidents. If they popped the clip they probably thought it was unloaded. Of course, with an automatic that is not the case and chambered round is still there. Hence why even kids who think they know what they are doing can get into trouble if they do not have formal, specific training on firearms and how they actually work.

 

We educate kids on how to deal with drugs and safe sex because we know they have deal with those situations. Firearms are no different, especially in this state. Kids have high probability that they will have access to firearms or be exposed to them when an adult is not around. They need to be trained how to properly firearms - including not playing with them.

 

 

Of course even good training can go bad.

 

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This is somewhat of chilling response to this incident.

 

No, 12 and 14 year should not play with guns. But 12 and 14 year old boys do a lot of things they should not. Hence my recommendation to have kids formally trained, in schools, on firearm saftey.

 

From reading the story the weapon was a 9 mm, thus, almost certainly an automatic. Complete conjecture here, but something I have often thought about in these incidents. If they popped the clip they probably thought it was unloaded. Of course, with an automatic that is not the case and chambered round is still there. Hence why even kids who think they know what they are doing can get into trouble if they do not have formal, specific training on firearms and how they actually work.

 

We educate kids on how to deal with drugs and safe sex because we know they have deal with those situations. Firearms are no different, especially in this state. Kids have high probability that they will have access to firearms or be exposed to them when an adult is not around. They need to be trained how to properly firearms - including not playing with them.

 

 

Of course even good training can go bad.

 

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Even if they ejected the mag prior to playing with it, the fact of the matter is that they were playing with it.

 

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a gun is dangerous. Similar to how you know not to jump into a pen with an angry bull or jump in front of a moving car. All of those things have potential for disaster written all over them.

 

It is unfortunate for the kids and the blame rests solely on the fool who left it loaded and where the kids could get to it. That said if the kids weren't foolish enough to touch the thing then this never would have happened. You learn from mistakes and some are more dangerous and have more serious consequences than others.

How often do you venture somewhere alone where 4-5 thugs are waiting to pounce?

It only takes one time.

Even if they ejected the mag prior to playing with it, the fact of the matter is that they were playing with it.

 

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a gun is dangerous. Similar to how you know not to jump into a pen with an angry bull or jump in front of a moving car. All of those things have potential for disaster written all over them.

 

It is unfortunate for the kids and the blame rests solely on the fool who left it loaded and where the kids could get to it. That said if the kids weren't foolish enough to touch the thing then this never would have happened. You learn from mistakes and some are more dangerous and have more serious consequences than others.

 

PR, I'm sorry, but I cannot get behind the "foolish kids" premise. Maybe because I have kids. But it doesn't matter what age they are, the adult is the one who is and should be responsible in all cases of safety. Kids, even 12 and 14, are kids. It is the responsibility of the adult gun owner to store his gun locked and unattainable by kids, whether they're 2 or 12, 4 or 14.

PR, I'm sorry, but I cannot get behind the "foolish kids" premise. Maybe because I have kids. But it doesn't matter what age they are, the adult is the one who is and should be responsible in all cases of safety. Kids, even 12 and 14, are kids. It is the responsibility of the adult gun owner to store his gun locked and unattainable by kids, whether they're 2 or 12, 4 or 14.

 

I am not disagreeing that the adult is the primary culprit. In this case the kid involved sure knows not to do that again.

I made a cross country trip by myself last summer and will do so again this summer. I felt much safer with my gun and speedloaders by my side, particularly as a single female.

 

Several years ago, when I was in college, I had a scary incident as I was driving home from Bowling Green for the weekend. When I got home, I told my uncle (whom I was very close to and had helped to raise me) about it. He immediately walked back to his gun cabinet, pulled out a .38 special and ammo and said, "Let's go get you up to practice." I had grown up using guns (I never hunted, but love to target practice!)

 

At first, I was a little perplexed and told him that I was thinking about getting one of those new fangled cellular phones (this was 16 years ago :lol:). He just laughed and said, "That's fine, but if someone tries to attack you while you are waiting on the police to arrive, what are you going to do? Throw the phone at them?"

 

I would never recommend that someone that is uncomfortable around guns get one. I certainly respect the decision NOT to own one. Granted, there are people safer without one (bless your heart, RM!) However, I AM safer with a gun. I think, perhaps, in my view a gun is more of a deterrent than anything. If you are unarmed, are you going to mess with someone that is? If you are armed, well, then it's all reflexes and percentages.

 

However, I would not hesitate for a second to use my gun to protect myself, my loved ones or my property. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. I think I heard that somewhere. :sssh: