Excellent response Aiden! I'm glad you took the time to go through it point by point; that took a lot of work. :thumb:

^ This is coming from NASA, of course they are not going to say anything out of the ordinary, it is one of the biggest government organizations there is. There is all kinds of evidence that actually support UFO findings as well, but do you think NASA will disclose any of that in a Q&A session with curious citizens????

 

 

 

And actually these prophecies did predict things. They predicted a lot of things to go along with the 2012 time period. Among them are Earth altering occurrences that include everything from asteroid impacts, to gama ray deflections off exploding stars, to nuclear destruction. All of these prophecies outlined many different visions of total catastrophe and it all centered around the 2012 timeframe, and the apocalyptic theory.

 

 

 

I understand the end of the Long-Count period is not the end of Mayan time, however, their beliefs intended that something significant was going to happen at the end of the long count period. Something earth altering.

 

 

 

Again you can try to discredit all you want, but IMO, quoting NASA isn't going to change my opinion one bit. NASA and the government is only going to tell the nation and world what they want to hear, not what could actually happen. Many scientists and astrologists "have" been keeping their eyes on stars who are close enough to earth, who are at the age of explosion in fear of any resulting gama rays reaching earth. There have been many others who have been tracking stars, asteroids, and those who have indicated an upcomming planet alignment, unlike one we have ever seen before.

 

 

 

And oh yeah, wasn't something big suppose to happen once the Jews once again reclaimed their homeland? Wasn't something suppose to maybe happen a generation later, or in that generation? Wasn't Israel formed in the 1940's? Isn't 70 years about the equivalent for a life span now? Isn't 2012 somewhere around that same life span after, encompassing the lifetime of someones generation. I mean this is just one other strange coincidence to coincide with this discussion, I will leave the rest out.

 

Again not trying to argue wrongs and rights, I am just saying this kind of stuff, and these ideas are more possibly then people will let on, and if you want to debate 2012 theories then I can go all day.

Another gripe I have about the NASA findings you posted Aideus is that they seemed to indicate that scientifically nothing would happen to earth. In reality science is one of the biggest oppositions to God, and scientists are always looking for a scientific answer. God will destroy the earth again, he has said so. He has also said he will do so by way of fire. Like said in one of my earlier arguments, it has been proven that the earth has physically been destroyed six times, so why can't it happen again?

^ This is coming from NASA, of course they are not going to say anything out of the ordinary, it is one of the biggest government organizations there is. There is all kinds of evidence that actually support UFO findings as well, but do you think NASA will disclose any of that in a Q&A session with curious citizens????

 

 

 

And actually these prophecies did predict things. They predicted a lot of things to go along with the 2012 time period. Among them are Earth altering occurrences that include everything from asteroid impacts, to gama ray deflections off exploding stars, to nuclear destruction. All of these prophecies outlined many different visions of total catastrophe and it all centered around the 2012 timeframe, and the apocalyptic theory.

 

 

 

I understand the end of the Long-Count period is not the end of Mayan time, however, their beliefs intended that something significant was going to happen at the end of the long count period. Something earth altering.

 

 

 

Again you can try to discredit all you want, but IMO, quoting NASA isn't going to change my opinion one bit. NASA and the government is only going to tell the nation and world what they want to hear, not what could actually happen. Many scientists and astrologists "have" been keeping their eyes on stars who are close enough to earth, who are at the age of explosion in fear of any resulting gama rays reaching earth. There have been many others who have been tracking stars, asteroids, and those who have indicated an upcomming planet alignment, unlike one we have ever seen before.

 

 

 

And oh yeah, wasn't something big suppose to happen once the Jews once again reclaimed their homeland? Wasn't something suppose to maybe happen a generation later, or in that generation? Wasn't Israel formed in the 1940's? Isn't 70 years about the equivalent for a life span now? Isn't 2012 somewhere around that same life span after, encompassing the lifetime of someones generation. I mean this is just one other strange coincidence to coincide with this discussion, I will leave the rest out.

 

Again not trying to argue wrongs and rights, I am just saying this kind of stuff, and these ideas are more possibly then people will let on, and if you want to debate 2012 theories then I can go all day.

 

I think the bigger debate here is whether a person is inclined to believe a bunch of hoo-ha, conspiracy theories, etc. over actual scientific sources. Are these things interesting? I suppose so, but there is no actual scientific evidence to back any of them up and plenty to discredit them. I'm sorry, but I'll believe a scientist at NASA over some supposed doomsday prophet.

Another gripe I have about the NASA findings you posted Aideus is that they seemed to indicate that scientifically nothing would happen to earth. In reality science is one of the biggest oppositions to God, and scientists are always looking for a scientific answer. God will destroy the earth again, he has said so. He has also said he will do so by way of fire. Like said in one of my earlier arguments, it has been proven that the earth has physically been destroyed six times, so why can't it happen again?

 

God also stated via the Bible that no one will know when the world is going to end.

 

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

 

Mark 13:32

 

Assuming you believe in God and are using his works as proof that something like this can happen, then that is a contradiction to your previous points, because God said no one will know when these things will happen.

Just who are these "credible prophets/historians" that have made these predictions? If you think that the end of the world is "fun" to talk about, and that you don't believe in it, then how can you believe in these "prophets," as they would be wrong?

Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, typhoons, floods, blizzards, etc. have been going on for quite sometime. The worst of these things have not occurred within this past decade.

 

My big post should have covered most of your question, but to answer the bolded directly. I do feel that the 2012 theories are interesting to talk about. Like I said I am a history major, so I enjoy studying about the past, as well as looking to the future, coincidentally enough the past often effects the future. I didn't say that I didn't believe in it, I am just saying I don't think the end of the world will happen right on the day of Dec 21, 2012. I am a Christian and a believer of The Bible. The Bible states that after the second coming of Christ there will be a seven year tribulation period, and with the second coming of Christ, he is supposed to come like a thief in the night when people least expect. Since there is so much hoopbla about Dec. 21 2012 I doubt anything would happen then because some would be expecting. However, God, as history has indicated has liked to give forewarning before any impending doom, so I feel maybe something can happen around this time. As far as what these happenings are, again I'm not saying I think the whole Earth will get destroyed and be no more, because the Earth will always be here. What I am saying though is that I believe something so out of the normal may happen that it may shake up the entire way we live and life on this earth as we know it. Not sure what this maybe, but there is countless things pointing toward something to happen around this timeframe, has to be a little something to it. What it is no one knows, may not turn out to be anything. BUT, I believe something "could" happen, and if it does it will be something to change the world as we know it.

God also stated via the Bible that no one will know when the world is going to end.

 

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

 

Mark 13:32

 

I have never said I personally feel the world will end. My take is that I feel something earth altering will happen, thus meaning something that is going to change the way the world is right now. It could be the onset of another World War, it could be a lot of things. I have no idea, I just think there's been an awful lot of talk about this time period for hundreds and even thousands of years, from many isolated sources. Do you think this is all just coincidence?

 

As for The Bible verse, one of my posts above just addressed basically the same passage, as well as my feelings on it. I agree with it 100%, no one knows when the world will end but God the Father. This is something I acknowledge whole heartedly, it still doesn't mean that something "BIG" can't happen.

 

Assuming you believe in God and are using his works as proof that something like this can happen, then that is a contradiction to your previous points, because God said no one will know when these things will happen.

 

 

^ God says no one but himself will know when the world will end, not when something may "happen". Something huge could happen to alter the world we live in, it doesn't mean that it will be the end of the world.

I think that I'm going to propose sometime within the next year and a half to my girlfriend. And if I do, I'm really going to try and push that we get married on December 21, 2012...

 

Do you know how much of a discount we'd probably get? lol

 

On a related note. My fiancee' and I are getting married later this year. When we were picking dates, there were only 2 dates available. One was the date we picked (Nov. 6th) and the other was Sept. 11th. It would have been cheap...but still.

I think the bigger debate here is whether a person is inclined to believe a bunch of hoo-ha, conspiracy theories, etc. over actual scientific sources. Are these things interesting? I suppose so, but there is no actual scientific evidence to back any of them up and plenty to discredit them. I'm sorry, but I'll believe a scientist at NASA over some supposed doomsday prophet.

 

 

Much of the hoo-ha being spread is actually being done by people in the scientific community, just not those employed by the government. You looked to NASA to derive a lot of your findings. If you haven't learned by now, one thing is almost a certain, it's not a good idea to trust the government.

 

 

So you can have your NASA scientists, and I will take the scientists who have an actual care and opinion about the world we live in.

^ God says no one but himself will know when the world will end, not when something may "happen". Something huge could happen to alter the world we live in, it doesn't mean that it will be the end of the world.

 

The sighs of relief from everyone on Dec. 22nd at 12:01 AM combining together across the world creating a massive hurricane of doom? :confused:

 

Plain and simple, some are going to believe this stuff, some are not. I, personally, do not and have provided just some of the reasons why I don't buy into it.

 

I would say that if you are correct, you'll win the bet and I'll buy you an ice cream cone, but seeing how ice cream, spoons, heck even the world may not be around after that, I don't think I could make good on that bet.

Much of the hoo-ha being spread is actually being done by people in the scientific community, just not those employed by the government. You looked to NASA to derive a lot of your findings. If you haven't learned by now, one thing is almost a certain, it's not a good idea to trust the government.

 

 

So you can have your NASA scientists, and I will take the scientists who have an actual care and opinion about the world we live in.

 

I'll trust the people who actually put human beings on the moon, over some guy who was paid to make some statements on a History Channel special.

Okay, I was trying not to get too deep into this discussion, but I guess I will have to now.

 

2.) ... The Mayans were incredible astrologers for their time... they picked the end date for the Long Count Calender to be set around a date in which modern astrologers are saying we are to experience a galactic event of epic proportions is eye catching to say the least.

 

Other Web Bot predictions include, Dick Cheney being shot in hunting accident

 

As a History major, I have studied this a lot, as I have gained a strong interest in it. For some reason it just fascinates me.

 

I don't have the time to address each point at the moment, but I will, though I might do it piecemeal, as opposed to being Leatherneck-esque (I don't DARE put myself in that prestigious category!)

 

However, I did want to comment on a few things. First, astrology is a great example of a pseudoscience, not a REAL science and no one uses it to support any credible argument.

 

Second, the Web Bot project predicted that Cheney would be shot in a hunting accident? When did this happen? Or did the Web Bot project get it wrong?

 

As someone with both a science AND a history degree, I too, have studied the whole 2012 hype endlessly. It doesn't fascinate me. It irritates me. I take offense when some parade pseudoscience around as reality. There are serious, true problems that need to solved and pseudoscience takes the focus off those, and puts money in the pockets of the people that promote the hype and hysteria.

I would like to add another thing that irritates me. This 2012 hysteria has even caused some to claim that they're going to commit suicide just before the Dec. 21, 2012. They have stated that they do not want to be around to see the horrific images of the world coming to an end.

 

Now, these people probably have some underlying psychological problems, but it shows what this kind of hysteria can lead to.

Much of the hoo-ha being spread is actually being done by people in the scientific community, just not those employed by the government. You looked to NASA to derive a lot of your findings. If you haven't learned by now, one thing is almost a certain, it's not a good idea to trust the government.

 

 

So you can have your NASA scientists, and I will take the scientists who have an actual care and opinion about the world we live in.

 

You've yet to list the REAL scientists that have given their support to the 2012 hype.