UK..How about it being a guide on life after life?

 

Better yet, a guide to get to life after life.

I can understand your point here, but if a person has been exposed to Jesus but chooses a different religion in which Jesus is not the Way to God, thus rejecting Him, do you feel comfortable in stating that they will be in Heaven despite their rejection of Jesus?

 

It is in Romans that it mentions those that by their nature is living a Godly life without ever having heard about Jesus will be saved.

 

No, I do not feel comfortable stating that, but I do feel comfortable stating that I do not know everyone that I will see in heaven either.

In the thread I linked to above, I listed the historical documentation of the Bible and how it is far greater than any other historical document in history.

 

I would like to know the background of historical proof that the Gilgamesh sotry is older and documentation that it is.

 

I think you might take this as trusted site:

 

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/flood/introduction.asp

 

Of course I am neither defending or attacking the essay, but link the site only to show that the Gilgamesh story is significantly older. Notice too the mention of other Flood legends.

So, let me understand this correctly, you guys believe that God created the Sun, the Moon, the stars, the Earth, the human body, night, day, Heaven and Hell and all of creation and yet God is limited on getting animals on an ark?

 

I can see the conversation:

 

God staring at the sun: Have you noticed how wonderful the sun is that I created. It heats, it brightens and it burns on it's own power. It surely is a wonderful creation that I made.

 

Noah: Hey, God, sun is wonderful but I am having trouble getting the hamsters on the ark.

 

God (despairingly): Sorry, Noah, can't help you with the hamsters. There are some things even I can't do.

 

:D:D:D

 

If God can create, and I believe He did, everything out of nothing, than I feel comfortable in saying that He can handle a plan on getting some animals onto the ark.

 

 

I believe the Bible to be true, I do not believe it to be literal. Was there a flood, yes - was Noah involved - yes, probably. Did it cover the WHOLE world - I doubt it. Did it cover the know world of his culture - maybe. Did he put his farm livestock on his boat - could have. If none of it is literal does it change that story that God provides in even the worst of circumstances - no. Do is change my belief in the redeeming power of Jesus - nope. So who cares if it is literal or not.

I'm still waiting on an explaination on this....

 

Following your line of reason, do you think a parent is being contradictory if they tell a toddler "don't touch the pan of boiling water on the stove" if they later touch it themselves? I'm not being sarcastic, but that seems to be the rationale behind your argument (God tells people not to murder & then does it Himself).

Ladies, or how to avoid a life that would not be what...oh, avoid HELL!

 

Jesus speaks of Hell more than any figure in the scriptures, We are still studying Revelations and it wakes you up. Book of Life, your name in it people, if not there is a MARK you will have on your forehead.

 

We are told in scripture to warn others of their Sins, if they listen and repent great, if not they were told and you will be blessed for trying to tell them.

 

This verse is so important that the LORD repeats it soon in the same chapter and again 30 chapters later.

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Following your line of reason, do you think a parent is being contradictory if they tell a toddler "don't touch the pan of boiling water on the stove" if they later touch it themselves? I'm not being sarcastic, but that seems to be the rationale behind your argument (God tells people not to murder & then does it Himself).

 

No, my contention is he has claimed that every word is to be taken literally. I'm simply pointing out that it's impossible to do so, because of all the contradictions that arise.

I believe the Bible to be true, I do not believe it to be literal. Was there a flood, yes - was Noah involved - yes, probably. Did it cover the WHOLE world - I doubt it. Did it cover the know world of his culture - maybe. Did he put his farm livestock on his boat - could have. If none of it is literal does it change that story that God provides in even the worst of circumstances - no. Do is change my belief in the redeeming power of Jesus - nope. So who cares if it is literal or not.

 

:thumb:

 

For the most part I agree with this.

I'm interested to hear how some of you feel about the notion that all of the 10 plagues, save the final one, can be factually and/or scientifically proven to be natural occurances that had nothing to do with miracles....

^^^LINK, no just messing with you, pretty neat I'd love to see them come right after each other, the first born was God's wake up for the Ruler, let my people go, here are some warnings, now its time to let them go and the first born happens.

 

I've had some folks question me on the Bible and I showed them some scripture that was really way out there and its even hard for me to get it. and here is one example.

 

After Lot and his two daughters left Sodom their mother was killed from not obeying God, she was warned. The daughters thought the world had ended and to carry on life they both got hime drunk, how? Where they carrying some wine? And had him father their child. Could a man thought that up? How did Moses get the info? Moses spoke with God.

I'm interested to hear how some of you feel about the notion that all of the 10 plagues, save the final one, can be factually and/or scientifically proven to be natural occurances that had nothing to do with miracles....

 

If you believe God created the universe, its not hard to believe he could use His creation to bring certain events to pass. :idunno:

If you believe God created the universe, its not hard to believe he could use His creation to bring certain events to pass. :idunno:

 

I'm not saying he did or didn't....My whole purpose in this is trying to figure out why questioning things we don't either agree with or understand from the Bible is viewed as such a taboo, and those who do are vilified for it by others?

I'm not saying he did or didn't....My whole purpose in this is trying to figure out why questioning things we don't either agree with or understand from the Bible is viewed as such a taboo, and those who do are vilified for it by others?

 

I can't speak for anyone but myself. I have no problems believing that the first 9 plagues were "natural" events. I also have no problem with people that believe either way on that issue. I also don't consider it taboo to question things.

 

If someone tries to use the natural argument for the plagues to disprove God, I think its a weak argument. (I don't think that's what you were attempting to do, BTW.)

 

Questioning things we don't understand from the Bible is great. Its how we learn.

 

Questioning things we don't agree with, I would view a little differently. I wouldn't say its wrong, but I do believe we should proceed with caution in this area. What are we disagreeing with and why do we disagree with it? That would be a good starting point. And, ultimately, what would be your authority for disagreement? For example, if I said I disagreed with the Bible's assertion that salvation is found in Christ alone, how would I support it? Feeling, personal experience, writings from another source, etc. That's a slippery slope, IMO.

 

:idunno:

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No, my contention is he has claimed that every word is to be taken literally. I'm simply pointing out that it's impossible to do so, because of all the contradictions that arise.

 

Not everything is intended to be 100% literal (gouge out your eyes & cut off your hand being examples).

Not everything is intended to be 100% literal (gouge out your eyes & cut off your hand being examples).

 

Who gets to decide what should be literal.

 

Some of my closest friends in Eastern KY growing up went to Snake Handling churches. Scripture says we can do it. I don't take that literally, they do . . . who is correct.

 

BTW what does "God breathed" mean? To me it means that God's 'influence' is in all of it - does that mean it is literally true . . . see again, I don't think so.