Is the issue here HOW he bowed or is THAT he bowed?

 

A bow like Nixon's would have been fine.

A show of respect. End of story.

 

Your in denial. This went far beyond a simple show of respect.

Maybe he was just admiring the Emperors shoes.

:ohbrother:

Your in denial. This went far beyond a simple show of respect.

 

And you're just looking for reasons to complain about Obama. This is as ridiculous as those that faulted Bush for holding hands with the Saudis.

Maybe he was just admiring the Emperors shoes.

 

Other possible explanations for Obama's exaggerated bow:

 

• Someone dropped a silver dollar on the floor
  
• He was looking for his contacts
  
• an old basketball injury
  
• he thought he was meeting Terence Stamp
  

And you're just looking for reasons to complain about Obama. This is as ridiculous as those that faulted Bush for holding hands with the Saudis.

 

And he's giving them to me. The bow isn't as important as the attidtude the leads to the bow.

Always something...

 

No kidding. :ohbrother:

Then you should also know that social status plays an important part in how much one bows and how long one bows. The person of lower status is expected to bow lower and longer. You probably also know that bows which approach 90 degrees (like Obama's) are rare and are often done to show extreme humility after committing some transgression.

 

And everyone should know that this is being blown out of proportion.

So, is the WH saying this was a bow and still saying that it wasn't to the King of Saudi Arabia?

 

And curiously, do other countries show any respect to our leader with formal gestures like this?

 

If the bow is a show of respect, did the Emperor bow to Obama?

Maybe he was just admiring the Emperors shoes.

 

I hear Obama bloodied his nose on the left Florsheim. On a serious note...Wouldn't an Ipod with Obama's favorite mix shown more respect?

He may have been looking for a lost contact lens.

Then you should also know that social status plays an important part in how much one bows and how long one bows. The person of lower status is expected to bow lower and longer. You probably also know that bows which approach 90 degrees (like Obama's) are rare and are often done to show extreme humility after committing some transgression.

So I guess when I see a salesman of Japanese decent bow to our plant manager that meant he committed some transgression? Also the times I helped my plant manager and administration manager in a emergency situation and they bowed to me that meant the same or their status is lower than mine?

 

If it wasn't Obama all of this wouldn't even be news.

So I guess when I see a salesman of Japanese decent bow to our plant manager that meant he committed some transgression? Also the times I helped my plant manager and administration manager in a emergency situation and they bowed to me that meant the same or their status is lower than mine?

 

If it wasn't Obama all of this wouldn't even be news.

 

It seems to me that a plant manager would typically hold a higher status than a salesman so it seems normal to me for the salesman to bow to the plant manager. Therefore, using a situation where status would dictate a bow to refute my comments concerning bowing after committing a transgression is less than convincing. It also seems to me that if you had just been of great help to your plant manger in an emergency situation that you had at that instant an elevated status. Therefore, for him to bow to you would also seem appropriate. (I am assuming that you work for the plant manager and not that he works for you.) It also seems to me that you probably already knew this but chose not to expose that knowledge in your post.

 

Finally, saying that if this wasn't Obama this wouldn't be news misses the point. The point is that no US president except Obama would have made such a gesture. No president previous to Obama has made the conscious effort to produce images showing the President in a position of weakness relative to other world leaders. The plain simple fact is that Obama has made it an objective of his to reduce the power and prestige of the United States.

I don't expect Obama supporters to admit that Obama has that goal.