I'm thinking of starting a thread about holding...

Start one on the Free Bocking Zone, that one is grossly misunderstood.

Start one on the Free Bocking Zone, that one is grossly misunderstood.

 

We'll do both.

Is it legal to hold or bump a receiver on the line of scrimmage? If so how long could you stay in contact with them before you draw a penalty?

Is it legal to hold or bump a receiver on the line of scrimmage? If so how long could you stay in contact with them before you draw a penalty?

 

1. No, it is not legal for a defensive player to hold an eligible receiver on the line of scrimmage.

 

2. If the "bump" by the defense meets the definition of a legal block, the defender can contact the eligible receiver until the receiver is no longer a potential blocker.

Edited October 1, 200917 yr by offside

Can a wide receiver throw a DB to the ground while getting off a jam?

Can a wide receiver throw a DB to the ground while getting off a jam?

 

Sure, as long as "throwing the DB to the ground" doesn't result in a personal foul or holding penalty.

How do you know when he's running a route vs just running at the db?

 

Generally the receiver is running a route if he is not blocking, or if he makes a move to get into his route, such as get past the defender, make a cut to avoid being blocked by a defender.

 

Keep in mind officials do not know what play is being run, so we cannot tell where his route should be.

Re: a receiver blocking a db.

 

What can an offensive player do with his hands when blocking? Can he grasp the shoulder pads inside the shoulders? If so, and the defender try to turn and go after the runner but the hands stay grasped after the arms are extended is that a hold?

Re: a receiver blocking a db.

 

What can an offensive player do with his hands when blocking? Can he grasp the shoulder pads inside the shoulders? If so, and the defender try to turn and go after the runner but the hands stay grasped after the arms are extended is that a hold?

 

NFHS Rule Book:

Rule 9 Section 2

 

SECTION 2 ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS AND HOLDING

ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not:

a. Use a blocking technique which is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 3)

b. Grasp or encircle any teammate to form interlocked blocking.

c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in

an effort to restrain an opponent.

ART. 2 . . . The runner may not grasp a teammate.

ART. 3 . . . A defensive player shall not:

a. Use a technique that is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 4)

b. Use his hands to add momentum to the charge of a teammate who is on

the line of scrimmage.

c. Use his hands or arms to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an

effort to restrain an opponent other than the runner.

d. Contact an eligible receiver who is no longer a potential blocker.

PENALTY: Illegal use of hands or arms (Arts. 1a, 2, 3a, b, d) – (S42); interlocked

blocking (Art. 1b) – (S44); holding (Arts. 1c; 3c) – (S42) – 10 yards.

 

 

NFHS Rule Book:

Rule 2 Section 3

 

SECTION 3 BLOCKING

ART. 1 . . . Blocking is obstructing an opponent by contacting him with any

part of the blocker’s body.

ART. 2 . . . In blocking, a player may contact opponents with the arms or hands

provided the technique is legal. The legal techniques are as follows:

a. Closed or cupped hand technique:

1. The elbows may be inside or outside the shoulders.

2. The hands must be closed or cupped with the palms not facing the

opponent.

3. The forearms are extended no more than 45 degrees from the body.

b. Open hand technique. The hand(s) shall be:

1. In advance of the elbow.

2. Inside the frame of the blocker’s body; the frame of the blocker’s body

is the front of the body at or below the shoulders.

3. Inside the frame of the opponent’s body, except when the opponent

turns his back to the blocker during the block or after the blocker is

committed to his charge. The frame of the opponent’s body is at the

shoulders or below other than the back.

4. At or below the shoulders of the blocker and the opponent, except

when the opponent squats, ducks or submarines during the block or

after the blocker is committed to his charge.

5. Open, when the palm(s) are facing the frame of the opponent or when

the forearms are extended beyond the 45 degree angle from the body.

ART. 3 . . . The blocker’s hand(s) may not be locked nor may he swing, throw

or flip the elbow or forearm so that it is moving faster than the blocker’s shoulders

at the time the elbow, forearm or shoulder contacts the opponent. The

blocker may not initiate contact with his arm or hand against an opponent above

the opponent’s shoulder, but he may use his hand or arm to break a fall or

maintain his balance.

ART. 4 . . . An offensive player may also use his hands or arms:

a. When he is a runner, to ward off or push any player.

b. During a kick, to ward off an opponent who is attempting to block him.

c. To push, pull or ward off an opponent when the ball is loose if he may legally

touch or possess the ball if such contact is not pass interference, a personal

foul or illegal use of hands.

ART. 5 . . . A defensive player may also:

a. Use unlocked hands, hand or arm to ward off an opponent who is blocking

him or is attempting to block him.

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b. Push, pull or ward off an opponent in an actual attempt to get at the runner

or a loose ball if such contact is not pass interference, a personal foul

or illegal use of hands.

NOTE: When a player simulates possession of the ball, reasonable allowance may be

made for failure of the defense to discover the deception. This does not cancel the

responsibility of any defensive player to exercise reasonable caution in avoiding any

unnecessary contact.

ART. 6 . . . When a player on defense uses a hand or arm, the hand must be in

advance of the elbow at the time of the contact and at the shoulder or below

unless the opponent squats, ducks or submarines.

ART. 7 . . . Blocking below the waist is making initial contact below the waist

from the front or side against an opponent other than a runner. Blocking below

the waist applies only when the opponent has one or both feet on the ground.

ART. 8 . . . Chop block is a delayed block at the knees or below against an

opponent who is in contact with a teammate of the blocker in the free-blocking

zone.

ART. 9 . . . Interlocked blocking occurs when one player grasps or encircles a

teammate just prior to or while blocking an opponent.

NFHS Rule Book:

Rule 9 Section 2

 

SECTION 2 ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS AND HOLDING

ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not:

c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in

an effort to restrain an opponent.

 

Restraint is the key in all that mess.

 

One could rephrase that passage to say that it is legal for the offensive player to "use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold" as long as there is no restraint.

 

We hear it all the time: "THAT'S HOLDING!" when an offensive player grabs a fistfull of a defender's jersey. But that's not really holding unless there is restraint, and the restraint is such that it causes a defender (who is in the immediate vicinity of the runner or loose ball) to not be able to make a play on the ball or tackle the runner.

NFHS Rule Book:

Rule 9 Section 2

 

SECTION 2 ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS AND HOLDING

ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not:

c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in

an effort to restrain an opponent.

 

Restraint is the key in all that mess.

 

One could rephrase that passage to say that it is legal for the offensive player to "use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold" as long as there is no restraint.

 

We hear it all the time: "THAT'S HOLDING!" when an offensive player grabs a fistfull of a defender's jersey. But that's not really holding unless there is restraint, and the restraint is such that it causes a defender (who is in the immediate vicinity of the runner or loose ball) to not be able to make a play on the ball or tackle the runner.

 

So your saying that when you have a long breakaway run and the runner is at the 5 getting ready to score and someone holds a defensive player back at the 40 it should not be called because he was not in the vicinity of the runner?

So your saying that when you have a long breakaway run and the runner is at the 5 getting ready to score and someone holds a defensive player back at the 40 it should not be called because he was not in the vicinity of the runner?

 

 

Not speaking for OFFSIDE....however, I would be willing to bet that he would agree that no flag for holding should be thrown in your situation. The hold at the 40 had no bearing on the runner at the 5.

Not speaking for OFFSIDE....however, I would be willing to bet that he would agree that no flag for holding should be thrown in your situation. The hold at the 40 had no bearing on the runner at the 5.

 

Also not speaking for him, but I wouldn't call it either. Now, safety calls behind the ball like that, absolutely get called, head hunting, clipping, personal fouls, but not something like a hold

bump

 

keep the questions coming....some officials like to be questioned. It keeps our skills sharp!

 

:thumb:

We've mentioned "outside the tackle" regarding intentional grounding.

 

What are some of the other common misconceptions about high school rules vs pro?

 

I'd say "it wasn't catchable."

"The linemen ran downfield before the ball was punted."

 

 

Others?