We've mentioned "outside the tackle" regarding intentional grounding.

 

What are some of the other common misconceptions about high school rules vs pro?

 

I'd say "it wasn't catchable."

"The linemen ran downfield before the ball was punted."

 

 

Others?

 

Personal fouls do not carry an automatic first down in highschool.

 

Encroachment on the defense is a dead ball foul in highschool; it is offside (not plural) in NCAA and the defender may get back out of the neutral zone prior to the snap to avoid a foul.

We've mentioned "outside the tackle" regarding intentional grounding.

 

What are some of the other common misconceptions about high school rules vs pro?

 

I'd say "it wasn't catchable."

"The linemen ran downfield before the ball was punted."

 

 

Others?

 

The uncatchable pass and the QB outside the tackle box are the two most common. But I've also heard a coach tell his players one time that holding within 5 yards of the line of scrimamge is not a foul. I can only think he dreamed that one up.

 

Another big difference between high school and NCAA/NFL is the block below the waist. There is only one type of BBW that is legal in high school and it involves the free blocking zone. There are many times BBW is legal in NCAA and NFL.

 

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NFHS Rule 2

SECTION 17 FREE-BLOCKING ZONE — LEGAL BLOCKING BELOW

THE WAIST, LEGAL CLIPPING, LEGAL BLOCK IN THE BACK

ART. 1 . . . The free-blocking zone is a rectangular area extending laterally 4

yards either side of the spot of the snap and 3 yards behind each line of

scrimmage. A player is in the free-blocking zone when any part of his body is in

the zone at the snap.

ART. 2 . . . Blocking below the waist is permitted in the free-blocking zone

when the following conditions are met:

a. All players involved in the blocking are on the line of scrimmage and in the

zone at the snap.

b. The contact is in the zone.

ART. 3 . . . Clipping is permitted in the free-blocking zone when the following

conditions are met:

a. By offensive linemen who are on the line of scrimmage and in the zone at

the snap.

b. Against defensive players who are on the line of scrimmage and in the zone

at the snap.

c. The contact is in the zone.

ART. 4 . . . Blocking in the back is permitted in the free-blocking zone when the

following conditions are met:

a. By offensive linemen who are on the line of scrimmage and in the zone at

the snap.

b. Against defensive players who are in the zone at the snap.

c. The contact is in the zone.

ART. 5 . . . The free-blocking zone disintegrates and the exception for a player

to block below the waist and/or the exception for an offensive lineman to clip

and/or block in the back is not to continue after the ball has left the zone.

We've mentioned "outside the tackle" regarding intentional grounding.

 

What are some of the other common misconceptions about high school rules vs pro?

 

I'd say "it wasn't catchable."

"The linemen ran downfield before the ball was punted."

 

 

Others?

 

 

One that I hear alot and people want called in "breaking the huddle with 12 people. That is illegal in pro. In high school a sunstituted player has to leave "in a reasonable time" so as to not deceive.

Its my understanding that you can make contact with the receiver UNTIL he becomes a receiver. In other words, once he turns his head to start looking for the ball (and even if the ball is not in there air) he is not allowed to be hit. I know a lot of coaches teach it otherwise but I'm pretty sure that's the rule.

 

This is a common misunderstanding. There is no "chuck" rule in NFHS. The defense does not have 3 or 5 yards to chuck the receiver as he goes up field. As soon as he establishes a route, he can not be hit. It would be considered a defensive hold if restricted before the pass or pass interference if restricted after the pass is released. Most people also don't realized that a P.I. can be intentional and penalized an additional 15 yrds for an intentional pass interference.

This is a common misunderstanding. There is no "chuck" rule in NFHS. The defense does not have 3 or 5 yards to chuck the receiver as he goes up field. As soon as he establishes a route, he can not be hit. It would be considered a defensive hold if restricted before the pass or pass interference if restricted after the pass is released. Most people also don't realized that a P.I. can be intentional and penalized an additional 15 yrds for an intentional pass interference.

So are you saying you can be flagged for pass interference and intentional pass interfernce on the same play for a total of 25 or 30 yards? You can't be flagged twice for the same foul...This just doesn't make sense to me....

So are you saying you can be flagged for pass interference and intentional pass interfernce on the same play for a total of 25 or 30 yards? You can't be flagged twice for the same foul...This just doesn't make sense to me....

 

Intentional Pass Interference is not two fouls, but twice the distance.

Pass Interference is a 15 yard foul with automatic first down (for defensive) or loss of down (for offensive). If intentional then it is 30 yards + either first down or loss of down.

 

This is similar in nature to the 5 yard face mask or 15 yard personal foul face mask. Severity determines yardage.

Intentional Pass Interference is not two fouls, but twice the distance.

Pass Interference is a 15 yard foul with automatic first down (for defensive) or loss of down (for offensive). If intentional then it is 30 yards + either first down or loss of down.

 

This is similar in nature to the 5 yard face mask or 15 yard personal foul face mask. Severity determines yardage.

 

So you are saying that there is a 30 penalty in football? WOW I could win alot of money with this....My next question is what determines Intentional Pass Interference?

So you are saying that there is a 30 penalty in football? WOW I could win alot of money with this....My next question is what determines Intentional Pass Interference?

 

In the rule book under the penalty enforcement section for Rule 7-5-10, it reads:

 

"If the pass interference by either player is intentional,

his team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards"

 

Notice the word, SHALL....Probably not going to see this called very often.

So you are saying that there is a 30 penalty in football? WOW I could win alot of money with this....My next question is what determines Intentional Pass Interference?

 

It would require very obvious intent to interfere, with the act having a material effect on the outcome of the game, in a situation similar to the referee awarding a score to the offended team for an unfair act.

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It would require very obvious intent to interfere, with the act having a material effect on the outcome of the game, in a situation similar to the referee awarding a score to the offended team for an unfair act.

 

Isn't Holding unfair......LOL

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Isn't Holding unfair......LOL

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Yes it is and it is a foul. However, the unfair act referred to above is something which is an affront to the spirit of the rules of the games. Think "cheating".

 

In the case of intentional pass interference, this is most often seen (and very rarely at that) when a defender is beaten so badly in coverage his only option is to foul to prevent a long gain or a score. I have seen it called once when one team, ahead 28-27 in the closing seconds of the 4th quarter, committed DPI on 4 consecutive plays when the trailing team tried for 2 and the win. On the 5th try, the referee made the same foul intentional. It had no real impact on the next play as there are not that many yards left when continually halving the distance from the 3. But it did send a message and the next play had no foul. All 6 attempts for 2 points were the same fade route to the same player. Final 28-27. Great game. Exciting finish.

Hey Mr. Official.....here's a question.

 

Two years ago, at a Fort Campbell Falcon game, the following scenario played out:

 

QB took the snap in the shotgun formation.

QB brilliantly faked the handoff to the RB on a trap and ran down the field to the endzone.

RB brilliantly faked the handoff reception, tucked his arms and ran through the line to be tackled roughly 10 yards down the field for a first down.

Stripe Shirt guy blows the whistle and calls the play dead and the RB tackled where he was tackled (for a first down).

QB had the ball in the endzone and the play was called back and it was Fort Campbell's ball, for a first down, where the RB was tackled.

 

That very play and result had happened more than once to the Falcons during that year.

 

Can any official shed some light on that one?

 

Later.

 

Sometimes the best thing to do is to not blow the whistle at all! The Rule of Thumb for all officials is "If you don't see the ball, don't blow your whistle!" The are more and more officials throughout the state that do not blow a whistle on a play unless it is absolutely necessary. In our area, we have been trained that if a whistle needs to be blown, only the covering official should blow the whistle, and then only if he/she "actually" sees the ball. The negative impact of the "don't blow it until you actually see it" creedo is that there are still some coaches that teach their players to play/hit until the whistle is blown. That can create a whole new set of problems. :eek:

Would be interested to know if anyone has ever seen a touchdown awarded for anything? I believe that an official can do this!

Would be interested to know if anyone has ever seen a touchdown awarded for anything? I believe that an official can do this!

 

I've never seen it. However, I do recall reading about a play in the 50s in college where a player was running for a long TD down the sideline when an opposing player came off of the bench and leveled the runner. TD was awarded.

XP lineup question:

 

Many teams run the "swinging ladder" formation where the center, holder, and kicker line up normally while the rest of the team lines up near the sideline. If no one was covering up the center the center was an eligible receiver.

 

Is this no longer true if he's not wearing a non-lineman number?