Why not? Your devout Christian beliefs defend the sanctity of life. You can't see artificial methods of birth control as manipulation of life?

 

So, you are saying that if God wants that situation to become a person that He will be stymied by the thin piece of latex rubber or by the person removing themselves too early?

 

If God wants that situation to be life, He will make it life no matter if there is birth control, no birth control or the family has been told that they can never have children. (The latter happens all the time.)

 

Once life is created, than it should be protected.

So, you are saying that if God wants that situation to become a person that He will be stymied by the thin piece of latex rubber or by the person removing themselves too early?

 

If God wants that situation to be life, He will make it life no matter if there is birth control, no birth control or the family has been told that they can never have children. (The latter happens all the time.)

 

Once life is created, than it should be protected.

 

 

Taken from a religious perspective, sex is for procreation, is sacred and should be done out of love. If a child is the result, it most certainly should be protected. But in the sanctity of life, having sex with any intent of preventing the opportunity to create life is a sin.

We were, and our founders intended us to be regardless of what many will say. However, the courts and politicians have twisted the founders words and we no longer are.

 

Many of our founding fathers were Deist, which Im sure most Christians would not agree with.

Taken from a religious perspective, sex is for procreation, is sacred and should be done out of love. If a child is the result, it most certainly should be protected. But in the sanctity of life, having sex with any intent of preventing the opportunity to create life is a sin.

 

On the bolded, I am not sure from a Christian viewpoint that is the ONLY reason God created sex. (let me add, I am assuming procreation means reproduction.)

 

God could have easily made us to divide like amoebas and the like for reproduction.

 

But he made sex for a reason that was beyond simply procreation. I believe he made it for the married couple as much as he made it for reproduction.

I think you missed my point completly... Iran. All I'm saying is im not worried aboAbortions are going to happen regaurdless of the leagality, just ask countries like Bulgaria and ut the leagality of abortion, I want the best solution that will realistically save lives. I personally would rather have governmen regulated abrotions than unsafe abortions in a back ally.

 

You completly missed the boat on the logic portion. A. Homeless people in America do starve to death every day. B. Your absolutly right there is argument about policy dealing with the poor and it doenst mean someone is against poverty but have you honestly met a person who is pro-abortion, meaning they think abortion is a positive circumstance?

 

So are murders, rape, etc.......

Taken from a religious perspective, sex is for procreation, is sacred and should be done out of love. If a child is the result, it most certainly should be protected. But in the sanctity of life, having sex with any intent of preventing the opportunity to create life is a sin.

 

I received this article this week. Those without faith would say that was a coincidence. I don't believe in those but rather God knew I would be getting into this discussion.

 

http://newmanmag.com/e-magazine/web/story3.php

Here's a good explanation on the Catholic Church's view of birth control:

 

Why is the Catholic Church opposed to birth control? Where in the Bible is birth control condemned as being contrary to the Will of God?

 

The Catholic Church is not opposed to birth control when it is accomplished by natural means, by self control. She is opposed only to birth control by artificial means, by the employment of pills, condoms, IUD's, foams, jellies, sterilization, non-completion of the act of sexual union--or any other means used to prevent conception from resulting from this act--because such means profane the marital embrace and dishonor the marriage contract. God slew Onan for practicing contraception (Gen. 38:9-10); the word ``onanism'' derives from Onan's deed. In fact, up until the Church of England's Lambeth Conference of 1930, which accepted contraception and thus broke with the Christian tradition, contraception had been considered by all Christian churches, both Catholic and Protestant, to be gravely sinful. The Catholic Church does not feel free to change the law of God, as do Protestants.

In the New Testament, there is only one instance where sin is punished by God with immediate death, this was the fate of Ananias and Saphira, a husband and wife who went through the motions of giving a gift to God but fraudulently kept back part of it. The Bible says they lied to the Holy Spirit. (Acts 5 : 1-11 ). In contraception, two people go through the motions of an act of self-giving, but obstruct the natural fruition of their act, i.e., the conception of children, which is the ultimate purpose for which God created sexuality. Sexual union is a gift from God to the married, but by practicing contraception, married couples are accepting the pleasure God built into the act and yet denying Him its purpose, new people. They are in effect mocking God. But ``Be not deceived, God is not mocked.'' (Gal. 6:7). Christ cursed the fig tree which, despite a fine external appearance, bore no fruit. (Matt. 21:19; Mark 11:14). Marriage is God's plan for populating Heaven, yet contracepting couples refuse Him the specific fruit of their marriage, which is children, when they engage in the act which should produce children yet frustrate the natural, God-intended result.

Back to the topic at hand.... If we are not a Christian Nation, why did we celebrate Easter? I certainly did. I ate good too.

Back to the topic at hand.... If we are not a Christian Nation, why did we celebrate Easter? I certainly did. I ate good too.

 

Because we love bunnies and painted eggs with chocolate hidden inside...

 

Duh...

Back to the topic at hand.... If we are not a Christian Nation, why did we celebrate Easter? I certainly did. I ate good too.

There is a difference between a Christian Nation and a Nation populated by Christians.

Many of our founding fathers were Deist, which Im sure most Christians would not agree with.

 

That's the biggest lie every told, one was (Jefferson) and one was an atheist (Franklin).

 

However, most of them carried the same views held today.

Because we love bunnies and painted eggs with chocolate hidden inside...

 

Duh...

 

:thumb:

 

:bunny: (Left over from my PEEPS!)

Back to the topic at hand.... If we are not a Christian Nation, why did we celebrate Easter? I certainly did. I ate good too.

 

 

Not everyone in America celebrated Easter. Muslims, Jews, etc, did not.

That's the biggest lie every told, one was (Jefferson) and one was an atheist (Franklin).

 

However, most of them carried the same views held today.

 

No, that's not totally true either. Patrick Henry was also a deist if I recall correctly. Thomas Paine was an atheist.

 

Today, many Evangelicals cite the Founding Father's as thinking as they did in terms of their faith convictions. But the reality is many were of a faith practice that did not believe in the ever popular "regeneration events" that Evangelicals espouse today.

 

Christian thought was indeed behind many actions but not any more so than the enlightenment influence that led them to remove religion as a test for office in the government.

 

"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3)

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

 

AMEN;

 

Believe what you want, I choose the above.