Now don't go away mad... :lol:

 

Billy is not a UK fan, well he was not raised as a UK fan growing up...

I am just having a friendly debate here...

 

Seriously? That's your best argument?

But you normally only remember them if they WIN.

 

Knight won 3 titles

Wooden won 10 titles

 

True, but he is winning titles at Flordia.

So, Tom and Ben? Anything?

 

In the coaching world, Kentucky is a step up from Florida. I don't really know how you can't see that.

 

I think he does see that, he is just enjoying getting us fired up :laugh:

True, but he is winning titles at Flordia.

 

Two years later they are having problems filling up to O Dome which only holds 12,000. See anything wrong with that?

I think he does see that, he is just enjoying getting us fired up :laugh:

 

I'm not fired up, just pointing out some stuff that I think is pretty obvious.

I have a question for you.

 

Would you rather be the coach of a school where you won two championships, retire there and be the legend. Have a court named after you and considered the best coach ever at that university. Or would you rather go to another school where if you had two season like you just had, your head would be on the chopping block and even if you did win big, you would never be considered the best in schools history???

 

Which one pays more?

Yes. Absolutely.

 

To put it in perspective, .... he and Myer both have 2 national titles. Pretty phenomenal. Yet, the hoops squad can't fill up the arena unless it is a BIGTIME rivalry game whereas in a down year, UK still has 23,000 at every home game. They packed Memorial for the NIT game and thousands of folks were disappointed that they couldn't get a ticket.

 

As much as I hate to admit (being that IMHO, football is the greatest game God ever created), .... in Kentucky, basketball is king. In Florida, football is king. It is really that simple.

 

I can see the point of having home court with a full crowd. I have friends who have season tickets and they are told to sit down almost everytime they stand to cheer. They call it the wine and cheese crowd. I know the student section gets loud.

I can't speak for Tom and Ben.

 

Roy: was raised a Heel fan, played ball there, coached there under Smith who is still there, had a house in North carolina the whole time he coached at Kansas, his son played at UNC when he coached at Kansas and his daughter played a sport there too. Last but not least, Dean Smith asked (some say pleaded) with Roy to save his old school that he had STRONG ties too...

 

He was part of the "NC family." What about the other two?

Which one pays more?

 

I am sure that UK will pay more, but not alot.

Why come to UK? That's a good question. Let's look at the last five coaches.

 

Joe B. Hall was not revered and never really shook the shadow of the "Baron." People thought he couldn't coach when he lost to Louisville in the original "Dream Game" or the infamous 1984 Final Four meltdown.

 

Eddie Sutton was not here long enough to leave an "on-court" legacy. Unfortuanately for him (and Big Blue Nation), DUI's, scandals and the like are why he is remembered.

 

Rick Pitino caught lightning in a bottle for about five years in Kentucky (1992-1997). He brought back the excitement and elevated the program to a level it had not reached in more than a decade and has not since reached since he left. Still, for some reason he chose to go. No one, including Ricky P. himself, knows why he left, but that ship sailed about a dozen years ago and it is highly unlikely that Pitino himself could match his own feats.

 

Tubby Smith came in with a shelf full of legitimate D1 talent. That statement does not take away from his ability with X's and O's, but he stayed nine more seasons and left the cupboard nearly bare. Smith can coach, but there is more to running a big time program than what takes place on the sidelines. He is a class act, but his departure was about two years past due.

 

That leads us to the current (for now) coach. BCG is neither the best or worst coach that could be at UK. He could be very good, but we will never know if he is fired this week. In all fairness, he does not have a lot of good players yet. That is not the fault of 10 or 12 student athletes that were left here, but it is also not BCG's fault. He has not had time to recruit the kind of D1 talent it takes to compete at a high level. He might have done better with what he has, but it's hard to make chicken salad out of that other stuff that comes from chickens.

 

But, if he is fired, I can understand why a lot of quality coaches would say "Thanks, but no thanks." High expectations are a good thing as long as they are not unrealistic, but I am afraid those of us wearing "Big Blue Blinders" are sometimes unrealistic.

Two years later they are having problems filling up to O Dome which only holds 12,000. See anything wrong with that?

 

Did they have that problem during the season or was it just the NIT?

Why come to UK? That's a good question. Let's look at the last five coaches.

 

Joe B. Hall was not revered and never really shook the shadow of the "Baron." People thought he couldn't coach when he lost to Louisville in the original "Dream Game" or the infamous 1984 Final Four meltdown.

 

Eddie Sutton was not here long enough to leave an "on-court" legacy. Unfortuanately for him (and Big Blue Nation), DUI's, scandals and the like are why he is remembered.

 

Rick Pitino caught lightning in a bottle for about five years in Kentucky (1992-1997). He brought back the excitement and elevated the program to a level it had not reached in more than a decade and has not since reached since he left. Still, for some reason he chose to go. No one, including Ricky P. himself, knows why he left, but that ship sailed about a dozen years ago and it is highly unlikely that Pitino himself could match his own feats.

 

Tubby Smith came in with a shelf full of legitimate D1 talent. That statement does not take away from his ability with X's and O's, but he stayed nine more seasons and left the cupboard nearly bare. Smith can coach, but there is more to running a big time program than what takes place on the sidelines. He is a class act, but his departure was about two years past due.

 

That leads us to the current (for now) coach. BCG is neither the best or worst coach that could be at UK. He could be very good, but we will never know if he is fired this week. In all fairness, he does not have a lot of good players yet. That is not the fault of 10 or 12 student athletes that were left here, but it is also not BCG's fault. He has not had time to recruit the kind of D1 talent it takes to compete at a high level. He might have done better with what he has, but it's hard to make chicken salad out of that other stuff that comes from chickens.

 

But, if he is fired, I can understand why a lot of quality coaches would say "Thanks, but no thanks." High expectations are a good thing as long as they are not unrealistic, but I am afraid those of us wearing "Big Blue Blinders" are sometimes unrealistic.[/QUOTE]

 

Quality coaches wouldn't see failure as an option, their egos would lead them to believe they had no shot at failing. IMO.

Did they have that problem during the season or was it just the NIT?

 

I remember Billy D complaining about the attendance during the year.

He was part of the "NC family." What about the other two?

 

Where were the other two? Did they win championships at there previous jobs?

Seriously? That's your best argument?

 

I am just saying he doesn't love UK, like you do.