I think a high school team needs several position coaches to be successful. I would say a good number would be around 10 coaches with most having duel duties. What would be the “norm” for most schools in terms of number/title of coaches? A typical team might look something like:

 

Head Coach

Offensive Coordinator + 1 position (say RBs)

QB coach (JV Head Coach)

O-Line

Receivers

 

Defensive Coordinator + 1 position (say LBs)

D-Line

Defensive Backs (Freshman Head Coach)

 

Special Teams/Kickers

Conditioning

 

 

Thats pretty standard. I think that should be how most programs are run. I heard of one program that rotated varsity coaches that went with the JV teams. One from offense and one from defense. I found this to be interesting but it gave the players and coaches different outlooks on the way things were run....

How much you get paid should not be an issue. If you are coaching to just collect pay check then your doing a diservice to your players. Not sure what requirements past maybe taking a test a coach has to do here in KY for football. I am not even sure if you have to do that. Other states I know have a class or test you have to take and that comes down to how bad you want to coach. A coach can gain knowledge through a number of things from coaching forums, magazines, clinics, videos, visiting other schools and more. Most of those are not huge time investments.

The original poster asked about position coaches. He did not say anyhting about it being the ONLY position a coach is in charge of. So yes it is very common for someone to be the DB and RB coach but you still have a position coach. Unless you can 2 platoon there is no reason to have a coach that all he does in RBs or LBers ect. Trinity, and ST X I would not be surprised if they have position coaches that coach only one position.

 

If this is in response to my previous post, I never implied that a "good" coach would be in it for the pay. In certain counties the pay would be quite minimal. Stating that their pay would average less than .05 / hour is and indication that coaching "for the money" is ridiculous to even imply! On the second point, the requirements to be a Recognized (paid and "qualified") Assistant coach includes 64 college credit hours (minimum) also completing a training and passing a test. The training and test are not the hurdles, the 64 college credit hours poses the biggest hurdle for some good coaches to be "allowed" to coach. Most have to help their programs wherever they can as a film guy, statistician, equipment man, etc. Then they still have to submit to a background check (which is definitely a good thing these days). Third, I understand the original post was about position coaches, that is why I responded with the points I made that all positions do not necessarily get the undivided attention of a single coach since they may have two positions to focus on. That is common at smaller programs (who do not platoon) but does happen, at times, in the larger programs as well. I totally agree that some coaches may not be willing to spend extra time (regardless of pay) to learn more about a position and being a better position coach. I feel like a coach can learn from other coaches (on their staff) as well as learning what makes a certain kid "click" and you do not always have to attend (spend a lot of time) at clinics, watching videos or attending training sessions to be better.

 

I guess because I Quoted your response that you may have felt I was attacking your points, not at all, I was trying to expand on the points you made.

 

Sorry if that did offend you though!:thumb:

If this is in response to my previous post, I never implied that a "good" coach would be in it for the pay. In certain counties the pay would be quite minimal. Stating that their pay would average less than .05 / hour is and indication that coaching "for the money" is ridiculous to even imply! On the second point, the requirements to be a Recognized (paid and "qualified") Assistant coach includes 64 college credit hours (minimum) also completing a training and passing a test. The training and test are not the hurdles, the 64 college credit hours poses the biggest hurdle for some good coaches to be "allowed" to coach. Most have to help their programs wherever they can as a film guy, statistician, equipment man, etc. Then they still have to submit to a background check (which is definitely a good thing these days). Third, I understand the original post was about position coaches, that is why I responded with the points I made that all positions do not necessarily get the undivided attention of a single coach since they may have two positions to focus on. That is common at smaller programs (who do not platoon) but does happen, at times, in the larger programs as well. I totally agree that some coaches may not be willing to spend extra time (regardless of pay) to learn more about a position and being a better position coach. I feel like a coach can learn from other coaches (on their staff) as well as learning what makes a certain kid "click" and you do not always have to attend (spend a lot of time) at clinics, watching videos or attending training sessions to be better.

 

I guess because I Quoted your response that you may have felt I was attacking your points, not at all, I was trying to expand on the points you made.

 

Sorry if that did offend you though!:thumb:

 

You do not need 64 credit hours to be paid. I can name you about a dozen who never even went to college or do not have 64 hours and they are paid assistants.

You do not need 64 credit hours to be paid. I can name you about a dozen who never even went to college or do not have 64 hours and they are paid assistants.

 

In the state of Kentucky?

 

Definitions of Level1 or 2 Coach according to KHSAA site:

 

Sec. 1) Defi nitions

a) Level 1 Coaches

An individual seeking a coaching position shall be categorized

as Level 1 if such individual is a certified teacher and member

of the regular school system faculty and meets the following

criteria prior to assignment to coaching duties:

i) Is employed a minimum of three (3) regular periods for

teaching classes, including physical education;

ii) Is employed for supervision of study halls; and/or

iii) Is exercising responsibilities in other activity assignments

within the school schedule.

b) Level 2 Coaches

An individual seeking a coaching position shall be categorized

as Level 2 if such individual meets the following criteria prior

to assignment to coaching duties and does not meet the

qualifi cations of Level 1:

i) Shall be 21 years of age;

ii) Shall not be a violent offender or convicted of a sex crime

as defi ned by KRS 17.165 that is classifi ed as a felony; and

iii) Shall submit to a criminal record check under KRS

160.380.

iv) Shall meet one of the following additional qualifi cations:

a. Have graduated from a public or accredited high school

and hold a provisional or standard teaching certifi cate;

b. Have completed sixty-four semester hours of college credit

from an accredited college or university as documented

by an offi cial transcript; or

c. Be a graduate from a public or accredited high school

and be in compliance with the local district standards for

serving as an approved substitute teacher as approved by

the Education Professional Standards Board.

v) Prior to assuming duties, Level 2 coaches shall successfully

complete training provided by the local school district. The

training shall include, but not be limited to, information

on the physical and emotional development of students

of the age with whom the Level II coach will be working,

the district’s and school’s discipline policies, procedures for

dealing with discipline problems, and safety and fi rst aid

training. Follow up training shall be provided annually.

In the event that the member school is unable to staff head

or assistant coaching positions in any sport or sport activity

(including cheerleading) with a Level 1 or Level 2 individual, the

member school may request through the Superintendent that

the KHSAA allow for a one-time waiver of this rule in order that

the additional time be available to find an applicant meeting

the criteria.

 

If you are not a Level 1 or 2 coach this pertains:

 

(1) Assisting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach in daily and long range athletic activities;

(2) Assisting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach in planning the program;

(3) Demonstrating specifi c skills and tactics but only under the

direct and continual supervision of a Level I or II person(s)

assigned duties as a coach;

(4) Assisting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach in guiding participants towards a harmonious team

spirit;

(5) Alerting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach to the special needs of individual athletes;

(6) Providing assistance with supervision of athletes during

periods of team travel;

(7) Recommending to the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties

as a coach the purchase of equipment, supplies, and uniforms

as appropriate for the health, safety, and welfare of student

athletes;

(8) Performing other non-coaching duties assigned by the

principal, athletic director, or Level I or II person(s) assigned

duties as a coach;

(9) No person other than those employed as a Level 1 or 2 coach

shall be allowed to participate in any supervisory capacity

with interscholastic athletic teams or cheerleading squads,

perform any other “coaching duty” as prescribed by the

playing rules within a sport, nor shall any otherwise qualifi ed

person exceed his respective duties as set forth in this Bylaw.

Edited January 3, 200917 yr by GR8BigBull

You do not need 64 credit hours to be paid. I can name you about a dozen who never even went to college or do not have 64 hours and they are paid assistants.

 

 

Name them and the school they coach at, please.

You do not need 64 credit hours to be paid. I can name you about a dozen who never even went to college or do not have 64 hours and they are paid assistants.

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but a booster club can NOT pay a coach.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but a booster club can NOT pay a coach.

Not in Kentucky, but in other states, such at Texas coaches can be, and are, paid by booster clubs.

All schools do(?) have position coaches, just sometimes those coaches are people who meet the minimum requirements to be football coach in their district (or state whatever the case may be). some smaller schools are lucky to have a single position coach for two positions! (Some coach OL-DL, DB-WR). Also, meeting minimum requirements to be a coach does not always translate into a football coach all the time. I know of some position coaches who have taken a job just to get a supplement to their salary (most of the time that is a very minimal sum). Some teachers step up to coach a girl's track team, volleyball, cross country team just because they can make an extra $1200.00-1500.00 per year. There are qualified coaches who would coach (for little or nothing) but they may not meet these minimum requirements in their states.

 

Now about some coaches who may not put in enough time to be better coaches, I think this is the biggest problem. Coaches get very little pay for the time required of them to spend on the practice field, weight room, game prep, film, game nights, etc. The more they work, the less their pay actually becomes. Not making an excuse, just stating that there may be this very large obstacle to get around for coaches to be willing to put in even more time. The hourly pay for most would average less than a nickel per hour!

I have said many times before that every time I am with a player (group of players) or a coach (group of coaches) I learn something. That is the best part of being involved in football (especially at the High School level).

Well said!

Not in Kentucky, but in other states, such at Texas coaches can be, and are, paid by booster clubs.

 

Is that a KRS, or KHSAA rule and if you know off hand, can you provide the verbage and where that is stated?

You do not have to have 64 college credit hours. If you read that rule you put up it says you have to have one of the following. You can be a high school graduate and not have any college hours and still be a level II coach.

You do not have to have 64 college credit hours. If you read that rule you put up it says you have to have one of the following. You can be a high school graduate and not have any college hours and still be a level II coach.

 

I had to re-read to get clarity as well. The first qualification included an important and clause.

 

iv) Shall meet one of the following additional qualifications:

 

a. Have graduated from a public or accredited high school

and hold a provisional or standard teaching certificate;

 

b. Have completed sixty-four semester hours of college credit

from an accredited college or university as documented

by an official transcript; or

 

c. Be a graduate from a public or accredited high school

and be in compliance with the local district standards for

serving as an approved substitute teacher as approved by

the Education Professional Standards Board.

You do not need 64 credit hours to be paid. I can name you about a dozen who never even went to college or do not have 64 hours and they are paid assistants.

 

Then they are in violation of the KHSAA rules and regulations. They are supposed to.

Is that a KRS, or KHSAA rule and if you know off hand, can you provide the verbage and where that is stated?

This would probably be a better question, answered by someone in the coaching profession. I, believe it is KHSAA rule, not KRS, but I could be wrong.

Not KRS. I could see teams using the 2nd part where a coach is not a level 1 or 2. that person.

 

(1) Assisting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach in daily and long range athletic activities;

(2) Assisting the Level I and II person(s) assigned duties as a

coach in planning the program;

(3) Demonstrating specifi c skills and tactics but only under the

direct and continual supervision of a Level I or II person(s)

assigned duties as a coach;

 

Yes they need to be supervised but that seems like they can coach. the payment issue and booster is a different story. I am sure it happens and I am sure there are people coaching that do not meet level 1 & 2 requirements.

The QB position requires more specialized time than other positions in my mind. You can have a good QB but if he doesn't continue to work on his foot work and mechanics throughout the season he will not be as effective as he could be. There is more to this position than just throwing the ball 300 times a practice. Even the great QB's go over the basic fundamentals, it starts at the feet and works its way up. One also must study the game and understand defenses.

 

NCBIRD, IMO it does not necessarily start with the footwork and "works it way up." I think it starts with the top and works it way down! :thumb:

 

How many qbs have you seen that have great mechanics, skill and speed and continues to make the wrong decision during the course of a game. Especially when the game is on the line... One of several indicators of a poor decision maker is the number of interceptions vs. touchdowns.

 

I will go with a heady qb with a good heart any day over one with the braun and "so called" skills!

Edited January 6, 200917 yr by Silver Streaker