Laugh if off if you will, but the professor has a very valid point.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. I didn't find the research to be particularly convincing.

 

Every generation feels like the generation following them doesn't have any respect for its elders, cares nothing for the hard work and dedication that got civilization to where it is and will be the ruination of society. Well, we're still here. The flower generation grew up and the economy ran amok in the 1980s. Generation X grew up and pioneered advanced computing and the internet. Who knows what we Millenials might end up doing? Drugs no doubt.

 

:thumb:

Those darned college kids.

Maybe. Maybe not. I didn't find the research to be particularly convincing.

I'd be more than willing to read anything you have that's more convincing to you one way or the other.

Those darned college kids.

It's not the kids fault.

It's not the kids fault.

 

I guess it is the fault of those who raised us. That same generation of people who claim that my generation is out of control.

 

I will quote this song that I think Green Day or Fall Out Boy or some awesome band wrote:

 

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

I guess it is the fault of those who raised us. That same generation of people who claim that my generation is out of control.

 

I will quote this song that I think Green Day or Fall Out Boy or some awesome band wrote:

 

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

THE WHO !!!

I guess it is the fault of those who raised us. That same generation of people who claim that my generation is out of control.

 

I will quote this song that I think Green Day or Fall Out Boy or some awesome band wrote:

 

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

Of course it's the fault of those that raised them, as well as the teachers who tell them how super, awesome, special they are. Add to that sports mom and dads that can't let their poor little child know the score of the soccer or baseball game they just played so their delicate little ego won't get bruised.

Self esteem is a great thing, but, so is reality!! When our foster kids were home, all I heard was self esteem this and self esteem that. I not only heard it from their social workers, I was hearing it in classes that I was attending. I gag on self esteem. IMO, self esteem can only truly be real if it is EARNED by the said person. I don't care how many times you tell a child they are smart, pretty etc, it is all a false sense of security. Self esteem comes when you KNOW you are great. Only YOU can prove to YOURSELF that you are great. You can see these things by the work you do, grades you earn, how you treat others, how you treat yourself, etc. Only YOU can generate self confidence, self assurance, self worth, etc. No one can do this for you!

I'd be more than willing to read anything you have that's more convincing to you one way or the other.

 

I don't read social psychology journals, but comparing a data set from 1975 and a data set from 2006 isn't nearly enough evidence to conclude anything.

I don't read social psychology journals, but comparing a data set from 1975 and a data set from 2006 isn't nearly enough evidence to conclude anything.

Just look around, you'll see telltale signs.

 

 

Starting in the mid-1990s, a team led by psychologist Carol Dweck did a series of experiments on fifth-graders, who were divided into two groups. In the first group, students were praised for their intelligence — an innate trait unrelated to performance. In the second group, students were praised for their effort and good behavior. The children in the second group performed better and were more likely to attempt difficult tasks — probably because their teachers had encouraged them to work hard, rather than constantly telling them how brilliant they were.

I always hated getting compliments in school... They embarassed me more than anything.

 

I'll do my work the best that I can, and I'll turn it in. I don't need a pat on the back... Just not my thing.

Just look around, you'll see telltale signs.

 

Of what? Adolescents, by nature, are probably going to think they can take on the world and win. What the research says is that students surveyed in 2006 thought more highly of themselves than students in 1975. Without a third data set in a year in between (at least - it would remain weak) we can't control for things like perception of the economy or family life. For instance, what was the divorce rate in 1975? 2006? Could the higher rate of divorce in 2006 cause students to lower expectations of a successful marriage, thus rating themselves as more apt to achieve it? Were there as many opportunities for higher paying jobs in 1975 than 2006? Was college an option for the majority of students in 1975? I also remember the economy being fairly crummy in the early 70s whereas it was fairly strong at the beginning of this decade. Were those accounted for? How could they be with only two data sets from random years? Of course, if the goal is to show that all teenagers have become narcissists then controlling for those variables would be a bit superfluous.

Of what? Adolescents, by nature, are probably going to think they can take on the world and win. What the research says is that students surveyed in 2006 thought more highly of themselves than students in 1975. Without a third data set in a year in between (at least - it would remain weak) we can't control for things like perception of the economy or family life. For instance, what was the divorce rate in 1975? 2006? Could the higher rate of divorce in 2006 cause students to lower expectations of a successful marriage, thus rating themselves as more apt to achieve it? Were there as many opportunities for higher paying jobs in 1975 than 2006? Was college an option for the majority of students in 1975? I also remember the economy being fairly crummy in the early 70s whereas it was fairly strong at the beginning of this decade. Were those accounted for? How could they be with only two data sets from random years? Of course, if the goal is to show that all teenagers have become narcissists then controlling for those variables would be a bit superfluous.

I think the point the professor makes it that this generation is unprepared for the real world. Why? They lack coping skills, they were taught as children that they're all winners in everything so as to build up their self-esteem. They were never told life's not fair. Mommy and daddy always fought their battles for them, in school, on the soccer team, in the neighborhood etc. I've seen more than my share of these kids. We're talking about an entire generation that's been assured that you can't fail and you'll be awarded just for showing up. That's not healthy and doesn't make for a young adult ready to tackle the world, regardless of what they think they can do.

I've always heard that there are a couple of ways to get something done.

 

Do it yourself.

Hire a teenager while he still knows everything.

Self esteem is a great thing, but, so is reality!! When our foster kids were home, all I heard was self esteem this and self esteem that. I not only heard it from their social workers, I was hearing it in classes that I was attending. I gag on self esteem. IMO, self esteem can only truly be real if it is EARNED by the said person. I don't care how many times you tell a child they are smart, pretty etc, it is all a false sense of security. Self esteem comes when you KNOW you are great. Only YOU can prove to YOURSELF that you are great. You can see these things by the work you do, grades you earn, how you treat others, how you treat yourself, etc. Only YOU can generate self confidence, self assurance, self worth, etc. No one can do this for you!

 

AMEN SISTA!!!!!!!